Hello Michiel,   
      
   On 30 Dec 13 00:20, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Ward Dossche:   
      
    WD>> Meaning ... if ZC1, ZC2 and ZC3 enable it and ZC4 continues being   
    WD>> MIA that all kinds of"wonderful things" can happen on his   
    WD>> autopilot system. Right?   
      
    MV> AFAIK, ZC4 already HAS it enabled. At least he had in february this   
    MV> year.   
      
   Now that you mention it, I thought I remember Janis mentioning she passed    
   it along to him and either helped him or made sure it was ready for when it    
   was ready to be enabled, quite some time ago.   
      
    MV> If I am wrong and the - how many, 3, 4, 7? - sysops in the Z4 segment   
    MV> of the nodelist that aren't  ghost entries, get a fucked up nodelist   
    MV> because their ZC is MIA again, then I say, they get what they deserve.   
      
   In my last message to Ward, I mentioned this same thing. I'm not sure which    
   ones are ghost entries or not, but none of them were reachable via telnet    
   (port 23 or binkp ports listed in the nodelist) when I tried, except for ZC4's    
   system.   
      
    MV> Now that we have come this far, should we really allow the less than a   
    MV> handful of nodes left of a zone that has not been functioning as a   
    MV> zone for several years, to hold all the rest of Fidonet at ransom and   
    MV> stand in the way of progress?   
      
   At this point in time, I'd have to agree with you and say no. Then again, if    
   ZC4 is able to change upon request, it would only be affected on those    
   possible ghost systems. So what? :)   
      
    MV> Is this fair to all the people that have worked on the project?   
      
   Definitely not. And probably discourages those few people that do actually    
   contribute to development of FTN software, to not care to do anything more for    
   the community if it's not going to be accepted and/or actually used.   
      
   Regards,   
   Nick   
      
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