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   -=> Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough <=-   
      
    > I may give it (Devuan) another look one of these days.  I do like   
    > Debian and it's offspring fairly well.  Never cared much for the   
    > BSD's, although only ever tried the FreeBSD variant and that was   
    > long ago.  Never really saw the point of it - what does it do any   
    > better than Linux...?   
      
    RF> FreeBSD used to have proper jails and great ZFS integration, but   
    RF> I don't know how great of an advantage it has on those fields   
    RF> these days.   
      
    RF> What OpenBSD does is to feel less insane than the others. To   
    RF> begin with, it has less cruft going on. If you don'tknow how   
    RF> something works, it is easier to figure it out form the source   
    RF> code than it is from the source code of some of the alternatives.   
    RF> Not that you are likely to need it since everything is well   
    RF> documented.   
      
    RF> Traditionally risky daemons are chrooted and subject to privilege   
    RF> deprivation. BSD Auth is easier to understand and work with than   
    RF> something like PAM. The TCP stack you would have to harden after   
    RF> every Linux install is set with sane defaults in OpenBSD.   
      
    RF> Also, it comes with software enough to build your own packaging   
    RF> compiling cluster. The port system is so fun to break havoc with   
    RF> :-)   
      
    RF> Cherry on the top: the OpenBSD comunity has a reputation of being   
    RF> composed of unfriendly bastards. I think that reputation is   
    RF> overblown, but they really have an Iron Fist of Death when   
    RF> dealing with drama. Anybody strong enough to remain active in the   
    RF> community is granted to really care for the OS - ie. if you pop   
    RF> up in the IRC channel you are likely to find people who LIVES   
    RF> OpenBSD, as opposed to self-entitled brats you often find in some   
    RF> forums.   
      
    RF> Oh, and OpenBSD has PF. Some people prefers it over Linux packet   
    RF> filtering interfaces. It is a matter of taste, really. Same with   
    RF> the default smtp daemon or httpd. Those are a delight to work   
    RF> with and are so much logical and preasurable to configure than   
    RF> the minastream ones you'd find in the Linux world.   
      
    RF> IMO you could do what you do with an OpenBSD with a Linux, but   
    RF> when deploying some paket forwarder or small server, or a small   
    RF> web service, OpenBSD gives you less post-instll work to do and   
    RF> the whole thing seems more logical in general. I mean, the   
    RF> Filesystem Hierarchy the Linux world routinely rapes.... you   
    RF> suggest putting the wrong file in the worng place in the OpenBSD   
    RF> world and they will send Skynet for you.   
      
    RF> That said, OpenBSD has its own bunch of problems, like lacking   
    RF> proper cow for the filesystem. They also lack a MAC framework -   
    RF> they have other ways to mitigate break-ins, exploits, and what a   
    RF> program may access, but you won't find SElinux or AppArmor   
    RF> capabilities at kernel level.   
      
    RF> I think that pretty much sums it up.   
      
   Thanks for that info, good insight there.  It (OpenBSD) interests    
   me some, but frankly, I don't have the time nor motivation to go    
   through the learning curve for something that does pretty much    
   what I already know how to do...  That was kinda my point - if I    
   was a Windoze guy looking to move to the *nix world, perhaps it    
   would make good sense.  But as an experienced Linux guy, well....    
   not so much.  Appreciate you taking the time to write that up!   
      
      
      
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