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   Richard Falken to Dan Clough   
   Re: Slackware 15.0   
   15 Sep 20 07:12:57   
   
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     Re: Re: Slackware 15.0   
     By: Dan Clough to Richard Falken on Mon Sep 14 2020 09:53 pm   
      
    > I may give it (Devuan) another look one of these days.  I do like   
    > Debian and it's offspring fairly well.  Never cared much for the   
    > BSD's, although only ever tried the FreeBSD variant and that was   
    > long ago.  Never really saw the point of it - what does it do any   
    > better than Linux...?   
      
   FreeBSD used to have proper jails and great ZFS integration, but I don't know   
   how   
   great of an advantage it has on those fields these days.   
      
   What OpenBSD does is to feel less insane than the others. To begin with, it   
   has less   
   cruft going on. If you don'tknow how something works, it is easier to figure   
   it out   
   form the source code than it is from the source code of some of the   
   alternatives. Not   
   that you are likely to need it since everything is well documented.   
      
   Traditionally risky daemons are chrooted and subject to privilege deprivation.   
   BSD   
   Auth is easier to understand and work with than something like PAM. The TCP   
   stack you   
   would have to harden after every Linux install is set with sane defaults in   
   OpenBSD.   
      
   Also, it comes with software enough to build your own packaging compiling   
   cluster. The   
   port system is so fun to break havoc with :-)   
      
   Cherry on the top: the OpenBSD comunity has a reputation of being composed of   
   unfriendly bastards. I think that reputation is overblown, but they really   
   have an   
   Iron Fist of Death when dealing with drama. Anybody strong enough to remain   
   active in   
   the community is granted to really care for the OS - ie. if you pop up in the   
   IRC   
   channel you are likely to find people who LIVES OpenBSD, as opposed to   
   self-entitled   
   brats you often find in some forums.   
      
   Oh, and OpenBSD has PF. Some people prefers it over Linux packet filtering   
   interfaces.   
   It is a matter of taste, really. Same with the default smtp daemon or httpd.   
   Those are   
   a delight to work with and are so much logical and preasurable to configure   
   than the   
   minastream ones you'd find in the Linux world.   
      
   IMO you could do what you do with an OpenBSD with a Linux, but when deploying   
   some   
   paket forwarder or small server, or a small web service, OpenBSD gives you less   
   post-instll work to do and the whole thing seems more logical in general. I   
   mean, the   
   Filesystem Hierarchy the Linux world routinely rapes.... you suggest putting   
   the wrong   
   file in the worng place in the OpenBSD world and they will send Skynet for you.   
      
   That said, OpenBSD has its own bunch of problems, like lacking proper cow for   
   the   
   filesystem. They also lack a MAC framework - they have other ways to mitigate   
   break-ins, exploits, and what a program may access, but you won't find SElinux   
   or AppArmor capabilities at kernel level.   
      
   I think that pretty much sums it up.   
      
      
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