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|    Richard Falken to Dan Clough    |
|    Re: Slackware 15.0    |
|    15 Sep 20 07:12:57    |
      TZUTC: -0500       MSGID: 812.fido_linux@1:123/115 23c5e8f5       REPLY: 810.fido_linux@1:123/115 23c56ba9       PID: Synchronet 3.18a-Linux Aug 23 2020 GCC 5.5.0       TID: SBBSecho 3.11-Linux r3.177 Aug 23 2020 GCC 5.5.0       COLS: 87       CHRS: ASCII 1       NOTE: Synchronet msgeditor $Revision: 1.175 $        Re: Re: Slackware 15.0        By: Dan Clough to Richard Falken on Mon Sep 14 2020 09:53 pm               > I may give it (Devuan) another look one of these days. I do like        > Debian and it's offspring fairly well. Never cared much for the        > BSD's, although only ever tried the FreeBSD variant and that was        > long ago. Never really saw the point of it - what does it do any        > better than Linux...?              FreeBSD used to have proper jails and great ZFS integration, but I don't know       how       great of an advantage it has on those fields these days.              What OpenBSD does is to feel less insane than the others. To begin with, it       has less       cruft going on. If you don'tknow how something works, it is easier to figure       it out       form the source code than it is from the source code of some of the       alternatives. Not       that you are likely to need it since everything is well documented.              Traditionally risky daemons are chrooted and subject to privilege deprivation.       BSD       Auth is easier to understand and work with than something like PAM. The TCP       stack you       would have to harden after every Linux install is set with sane defaults in       OpenBSD.              Also, it comes with software enough to build your own packaging compiling       cluster. The       port system is so fun to break havoc with :-)              Cherry on the top: the OpenBSD comunity has a reputation of being composed of       unfriendly bastards. I think that reputation is overblown, but they really       have an       Iron Fist of Death when dealing with drama. Anybody strong enough to remain       active in       the community is granted to really care for the OS - ie. if you pop up in the       IRC       channel you are likely to find people who LIVES OpenBSD, as opposed to       self-entitled       brats you often find in some forums.              Oh, and OpenBSD has PF. Some people prefers it over Linux packet filtering       interfaces.       It is a matter of taste, really. Same with the default smtp daemon or httpd.       Those are       a delight to work with and are so much logical and preasurable to configure       than the       minastream ones you'd find in the Linux world.              IMO you could do what you do with an OpenBSD with a Linux, but when deploying       some       paket forwarder or small server, or a small web service, OpenBSD gives you less       post-instll work to do and the whole thing seems more logical in general. I       mean, the       Filesystem Hierarchy the Linux world routinely rapes.... you suggest putting       the wrong       file in the worng place in the OpenBSD world and they will send Skynet for you.              That said, OpenBSD has its own bunch of problems, like lacking proper cow for       the       filesystem. They also lack a MAC framework - they have other ways to mitigate       break-ins, exploits, and what a program may access, but you won't find SElinux       or AppArmor capabilities at kernel level.              I think that pretty much sums it up.                     --       gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es       --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux        * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)       SEEN-BY: 1/123 90/1 120/340 123/131 226/30 227/114 702 229/101 424       SEEN-BY: 229/426 452 616 664 240/5832 249/206 317 400 292/854 317/3       SEEN-BY: 322/757 342/200 633/280       PATH: 123/115 3634/12 154/10 280/464 229/101 426           |
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