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   Hello Maurice!   
      
   01 Feb 20 15:29, Maurice Kinal wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:   
      
    GK>> The stuff is OSS, but I don't compile it myself, I just let the   
    GK>> vendor or the community do the legwork.   
      
    MK> Does that include "Msged/BSD 6.1.2" and/or "hpt/fbsd 1.9.0-cur    
    MK> 08-05-14"?   
      
   No, of course not. That's FTN software, not smarthome.   
      
    MK> I've run across many such things over the years.  Nothing much lately    
    MK> but then again I don't usually follow embedded development for the    
    MK> mostpart.   
      
   My personal impression as of lately is that pretty much everything I have to   
   deal with is moving towards python... not that I would prefer that over java   
   or anything else, but that's what it looks like to me.   
      
    GK>> in some places gcc really sucked   
      
    MK> Example(s)?  The only one I can claim any experience with would be    
    MK> any 16-bit DOS enviroment running on 32-bit processors.     
    MK> :::shudder:::  What a bad joke that whole concept turned out to be.   
      
   Compatibility issues all over the place (mainly in versions 2.x and 3.x   
   afaicr) due to ABI changes. I remember so many situations where I had to   
   recompile each and every library a project was using (i.e., pretty much the   
   whole OS) before I could use a newer compiler I needed for an updated software   
   (due to changes in the C standard and/or the way gcc was treating it).   
   In comparison, java tends to keep compatibility with older code much better.   
      
    MK> Agreed.  In my case the lack of appliances that "just work" are the    
    MK> usual source of grief which means having working gcc/glibc enviroment    
    MK> to take care of things that actually matter is the prime motivation    
    MK> for all the systems under my care.  Mind you I have yet to send    
    MK> anything out to explore the universe on it's own so perhaps I am    
    MK> looking at "appliances" the wrong way?   
      
   Don't know. Most systems I take care of are used by other people, and these   
   usually follow a "if it ain't broken, don't try to fix it" strategy.   
      
      
   Regards,   
   Gerrit   
      
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