Hello Nick!   
      
   01 Jun 18, Nick Andre wrote to Richard Menedetter:   
      
    NA> That is not how things work on this Hub system.   
      
   We are not talking about what's going on on your system, we are talking about   
   the effects to the network.   
      
   The network means us, the writers. The hubs and nodes supply the   
   infrastructure but they are not really the network. Without writing users the   
   infrastructure is empty and the nodes don't have content to transport and thus   
   no reason to connect other systems.   
      
   Back in the old days that fact was overlied by the transport cost of the call   
   by call modem connects. Less users means less content and reduced costs and   
   there was no shortage of users. This turned by 180° in the current time. Today   
   we have flat rated connects even in germany but many users left to the   
   internet and there is a shortage of users in fidonet. Any sysop should please   
   take that into account if he judges the impact to the "network" and   
   counterbalance priorities.   
      
    NA> Instead, a much more logical, thoughtful and considerate approach is   
    NA> to judge how the problem is impacting the network as a whole   
      
   And in this point we have different jugdements.   
      
   You asked why we don't simply use the next key. That is very difficult for me   
   to explain in a translated language but i will try now.   
      
    NA> The impact of a misconfigured system posting in a silly low-traffic   
    NA> Linux echo is different than lets say, a system making a mass-bombing   
    NA> run or engaging in illegal activity.   
      
   Your triggerd three keywords. silly. low-traffic. mass.   
      
   Even without detectable emotions in text i would call it an offence against   
   the users of this echo if in your point of view an/any echo is silly.   
      
   I dislike the swedish proverbs in this echo becasue they are useless for me   
   but i can tolerate them because there seems to be a user having fun working on   
   character translation. Because you are right, this is a low-traffic echo, i   
   don't have any problem to hit these mails with the next key.   
      
   To make it understandable why i don't do that with the BBS advertising i have   
   to explain that i'm really pissed off from unwanted advertisings in general.   
   They steal our time by pressing "next" or "delete" buttons, they distract us   
   from our focus and the bytes transfered by the net consumes energy, hardware   
   and human resources worth approx. 6.600.000.000 Euro in germany in 2017 only.   
   (source: https://de.statista.com/themen/113/online-werbung/ )   
      
   One of the primary reasons for my fidonet usage was the non commercial   
   direction and the normally missing advertisment spam.   
      
   Now we are at "low-traffic" and "mass". Yes, we haven't seen much traffic   
   here. That is not a reason to flood an echo with offtopic spam. And what is   
   "mass" for you? The ad subject was seen here on May 22 first (maybe i deleted   
   the first ones) thats 13 days. The traffic 13 days before was 3 mails if we go   
   back to May 01. Since the 22nd there are ~88 mails now, which is ~2900% more   
   traffic. Compared to the usual traffic your ignoring caused a mass-bombing run.   
      
   To add another view to understand my point, we had a user announcing his new   
   and unused chromium dioxide cassettes in the flea.ger echoarea for some weeks   
   and even after reducing the price it was clear to everyone that there is no   
   potential buyer in the echo. The advice that there will be no buyer was   
   ignored and it escalated into stubborn opposition "i do because i can" and i   
   think the mail posting was given to a bot then. The first announcement was   
   ~2002-06 and it took 190 useless echomails until 2005-11 when his uplink was   
   convinced that ther is no reaction from the seller if anyone asks to buy the   
   cassettes and he killed the cassette announcement in transit.   
      
   Maybe it was funny at first, the chromiumdioxide cassettes were some kind of   
   running gag, but then it was annoying only. That case teached me to not ignore   
   a bot.   
      
   We (in R24) had perfect the way of ignoring and it does not care. We had a   
   backbone system that wasn't very well maintained by the sysop. It was a bridge   
   to other low maintained "autopilot" systems that had still active writing   
   points. On other systems the echomail distribution paused sometimes until the   
   end of the week, until the sysop came home and pressed the reset button. We   
   kept the broken systems for years and it was annoying if the mail transport   
   paused again for a week. And there was a black hole when the system was forced   
   down permanently. Everybody thought it would be back the next days and it took   
   a while until we realized that it won't. At that point the echomail   
   distribution structure was in shards. It took more weeks to collect the   
   remainings and link them together again. We build dupe links on purpose to   
   have an activ alternate link so if one system will go down the echomail is   
   comming through the backdoor. Since then we have a really stable echomail   
   supply.   
      
   Well, thats all why simply hitting the next button was no good option for me.   
   I do hate spam, i had bad experience with bots and i don't believe "no action"   
   is a good solution in case of missing information.   
      
   I believe that the basics apply to Richard too. I think we both are what a   
   wordwise translation would be "a burned child shies the fire". Some kind of   
   folk wisdom or common knowledge, the phrase is known be the translator as   
   "once bitten twice shy" or "one who has been hurt in the past will be doubly   
   careful in the future".   
      
   My apologies to all linux interested readers for this long off-topic mail   
   wasting your time but i hope i cleared the question what drives us to request   
   a temporary disconnect of the advertisment bot out of control.   
      
   Best regards   
      
   Kai   
      
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