NB> Hello Mike,   
      
    NB> On Sat Dec 02 2017 00:52:26, Mike Miller wrote to Nicholas Boel:   
      
    MM>>  I'm running into one of those stupid emerge issues right now on my   
    MM>> devbox. too many things unmasked and it doesn't want to update   
    MM>> properly.  Meanwhile I can just "yum -y update" on my BBS machine   
    MM>> without worrying that it's going to break.   
      
    NB> Yeah, those were a pain tracking down the problem too! I honestly   
    NB> can't say that I miss it one bit, really. While the idea is nice, I'd   
    NB> now rather wait for the time to try an LFS build if I'm going to go   
    NB> back to compiling everything.   
      
    MM>>  "You built a new computer, throw Gentoo on the old one" I said. "It's   
    MM>> got a fast CPU, Gentoo will work great!" I insisted. "You'll keep it   
    MM>> up to date, just emerge once every few days or so!" I thought.   
      
    MM>> Yeah...   
      
    NB> HAHA. But sometimes that "once every few days" overlap each other   
    NB> when you have to compile for 8 hours (so you walk away), come back 12   
    NB> hours later and the compile broke somewhere, so you have to track it   
    NB> down and recompile everything that didn't compile all over again.   
    NB> Yikes, as I said I don't miss it. lol   
      
    NB>>> Now I run the BBS on Arch and update whenever I feel like it.   
    NB>>> Takes no time at all and everything has been surprisingly stable   
    NB>>> for a few years now.   
      
    MM>> I tried to toss Arch on my laptop at one point, and I just couldn't   
    MM>> get it to run right. It booted, but X wouldn't come up, and I didn't   
    MM>> want to do Gentoo-levels of tinkering with it to make it work, so I   
    MM>> gave up.  I think I'm too old to learn a new distro...   
      
    NB> So you tried installing X after you rebooted into it the first time?   
    NB> Arch doesn't come with X preinstalled. The best instructions are on   
    NB> the wiki. I think it's as simple as:   
      
    NB> pacman -S xorg    
      
    NB> Then if you want to use 'startx' you'd have to install xorg-xinit as   
    NB> it doesn't come with the base xorg packages. Same goes for something   
    NB> like xdg, gdm, kdm, etc if you want a graphical login.   
      
    NB> That aside, if you're looking for an Arch-based distro that comes   
    NB> with all the extras, you could try Manjaro or Antergos. I gave   
    NB> Manjaro a looksee in a VM and it was great. Definitely a nice usable   
    NB> desktop OS. I just have no need for X so I stick with Arch itself   
    NB> these days. My main desktop is Windows 10, mainly because of gaming.   
    NB> I just use Putty or VMWare's detachable console program to access my   
    NB> Linux servers.   
      
   Or you just install Fedora or Ubuntu and shit just works. :D   
      
      
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