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   Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:42:39 GMT   
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   * Moog wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:   
      
   > Mike Easter illuminated the devils arse on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:10:30   
   > -0800, by typing:   
   >    
   >>> That's exactly it. Should Outlook Express (or the GG editor) simply   
   >>> position it's cursor in the right position from the off, then top   
   >>> posting would be left to the fuckwits.   
   >>    
   >> Personally, for my tastes, I believe the cursor should be positioned   
   >> at the top, because that is very close to where the trimming should   
   >> begin.    
   >    
   > Again, I would disagree with that. If the cursor is positioned at the   
   > bottom it at least forces the poster to have a rethink and perhaps   
   > read the whole post in context.   
      
   Argueably you could say that putting the cursor at the bottom doesnt    
   force the poster to do anything but place his 2 word comment and not snip    
   the ~100 previous lines. Most bottom posters, even ones that know better,    
   leave extraneous text in the reply and this is triggered by a reader that    
   places the cursor at the bottom.   
      
   > I would certainly agree that once you   
   > have mastered usenet, an option to place the cursor at the top could   
   > come in handy. Personally, that is not my bag at all.    
      
   I would have it no other way and most of the better readers do postition    
   the cursor at the top just under the attribtution.   
      
   >    
   >> I believe that positioning the cursor at the bottom tends to lead   
   >> some posters to untrimmed bottom posting, which is also very bad.   
   >    
   > Nope. Sorry. I disagree again. That's just pure laziness.   
      
   Regardless, its true.   
      
   > A trait that   
   > is more and more common in society. Still, I must say, I prefer that   
   > to top posting. The "limited bandwidth" days have gone...at least for   
   > me.    
      
   Thats just it, it isnt about YOU, this is a community. You arent doing    
   whats best for you, you should be doing what suits the community and    
   since the majority of the world is NOT on broadband its discourteous to    
   not snip.   
      
   >    
   >>> Most new usenet users, even the intelligent ones, simply accept the   
   >>> defaults.   
   >>    
   >> I'm still arguing that the cursor position isn't the problem.   
   >    
   > I think we'll have to agree to disagree.   
      
   But it isnt. Come on over to a group that discusses news readers full    
   time and youll see what the preferred method is. CLUE: Yours isnt it.   
      
   news.software.readers when you are ready ;)   
      
   >     
   >>> So the fault lies with? Poorly written software? Could it be?   
   >>    
   >> I have used googlegroups and posted a properly attributed and trimmed   
   >> and contextualized message just fine.  The problem lies with the   
   >> behavior of the poster.   
   >    
   > Again I disagree. How do you behave on usenet as a new user? It's   
   > simple, you lurk and learn.   
      
   You need to now what lurking is before you can do it.   
      
   > However, we seem to have lost that.   
      
   Becasue places like Gogle dont start you with a pointer to a primer. When    
   I got my first ISP account many years ago they were VERY persistant about    
   reminding you to read the FAQ's.   
      
   > The   
   > news vogue is "post and learn". If the software at least made you   
   > *think* how to converse on usenet (like most dedicated ones do), then   
   > that's a hell of a good start.   
      
   Placement of a cursor does not in any way trigger thinking, thats up to    
   the user. Cursor placement is irrelevant. Just look at all the readers    
   around and the variuos methodologies on cursor placement. You can find a    
   user for every every single reader that top posts, bottom posts and    
   interposts which proves that placing the cursor 'here' does nothing to    
   implly what to do next, be that snip or type.   
      
   >    
   >> In the case of native OE, it has historically been   
   >> configured/designed to favor corporate type email replies with   
   >> textover fullquote under.  If the poster uses the autosig, then not   
   >> only is the cursor at the top, but there is a sig right under it,   
   >> 'forcing' the autosigged poster to type in between creating a top   
   >> post.  That is all about corporate TOFU.    
   >    
   > And it should not be used for usenet in it's standard form.   
      
   People shouldnt drink and drive either...   
      
   --    
   David   
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