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From: Moog
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Subject: Re: Lite versions of Linyx question
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:34:56 +0000 (UTC)
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Mike Easter illuminated the devils arse on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:10:30
-0800, by typing:
>> That's exactly it. Should Outlook Express (or the GG editor) simply
>> position it's cursor in the right position from the off, then top
>> posting would be left to the fuckwits.
>
> Personally, for my tastes, I believe the cursor should be positioned at
> the top, because that is very close to where the trimming should begin.
Again, I would disagree with that. If the cursor is positioned at the
bottom it at least forces the poster to have a rethink and perhaps read
the whole post in context. I would certainly agree that once you have
mastered usenet, an option to place the cursor at the top could come in
handy. Personally, that is not my bag at all.
> I believe that positioning the cursor at the bottom tends to lead some
> posters to untrimmed bottom posting, which is also very bad.
Nope. Sorry. I disagree again. That's just pure laziness. A trait that is
more and more common in society. Still, I must say, I prefer that to top
posting. The "limited bandwidth" days have gone...at least for me.
>> Most new usenet users, even the intelligent ones, simply accept the
>> defaults.
>
> I'm still arguing that the cursor position isn't the problem.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
>> So the fault lies with? Poorly written software? Could it be?
>
> I have used googlegroups and posted a properly attributed and trimmed
> and contextualized message just fine. The problem lies with the
> behavior of the poster.
Again I disagree. How do you behave on usenet as a new user? It's simple,
you lurk and learn. However, we seem to have lost that. The news vogue is
"post and learn". If the software at least made you *think* how to
converse on usenet (like most dedicated ones do), then that's a hell of a
good start.
> In the case of native OE, it has historically been configured/designed
> to favor corporate type email replies with textover fullquote under. If
> the poster uses the autosig, then not only is the cursor at the top, but
> there is a sig right under it, 'forcing' the autosigged poster to type
> in between creating a top post. That is all about corporate TOFU.
And it should not be used for usenet in it's standard form.
> That whole business is a set of reasons why the OE user would be better
> off with OE QuoteFix, and also why the GGer should read the helpfile to
> understand how to use GG to cite and trim.
We are talking about new users here. Not experts.
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