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   On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:06:38 -0600, Topaz_Crow wrote:   
      
   > On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:57:36 -0500, noshellswill    
   wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:33:31 -0600, Topaz_Crow wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:43:08 +1100, John Fitzsimons  wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:11:41 -0600, Topaz_Crow   
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:19:59 -0500, Mark Warner  wrote:   
   >>>>>> Michel Firholz wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>< snip >   
   >>>>   
   >>    
   >>   
   >>>> Not only is a CLI archaic it is also very very tedious for those of us   
   >>>> who don't want to have to learn a large number of "commands".    
   >>>    
   >>> This is how most users who are afraid or too lazy or just don't know   
   >>> how to type more than two words per minute think. The CLI is no more   
   >>> archaic than clicking on an OK button but it is definately more   
   >>> powerful.   
   >>>    
   >>>>   
   >>>> What Unix users tend to ignore is that to use Unix you need to have    
   >>>> a very good memory. If you don't remember EXACTLY what the syntax    
   >>>> for a command is then it doesn't get executed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> With windows going through menus, and clicking, requires little/no   
   >>>> memory at all.   
   >>>    
   >>> Well, if one does not have the memory capacity to remember a few   
   >>> commands, I guess there is no hope and there will continue to be   
   >>> people asking for help in these groups. Soon, memory capacity will   
   >>> degrade to the point that people refuse to learn how to work a mouse.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Downplay CLI complexity?? Sorry TC, the numbers do NOT support your   
   >> case. Truth is, The command line is HUGELY more complex than a GUI.    
   >    
   > No it's not. People are just scared of it.   
   >    
   >>   
   >> Take this crude example:    
   >>   
   >>     1) A certain GUI command requires the choice between two ( 2 ) buttons:   
   >>   
   >>     2) For the typed keyboard version of that same command    
   >>     requiring ---say--- ten ( 10 ) characters, the number of   
   >>      possible typed combinations is ~ 100 ^ 10 .     
   >    
   > This does not make any sense. There are also a multitude of things to   
   > click in the GUI. If someone learns the CLI, typing a 10 character   
   > command is many times much faster than clicking through the menus.   
   >    
   > The CLI is not hard to learn. I cut my teeth in the Red Hat 5.0 days   
   > and *HAD* to learn the CLI. It didn't take long to learn what I needed   
   > to get along just fine.   
   >    
   >>   
   >> Assuming LOG complexity, the usr faces ~ 70x as difficult a task in   
   >> the CLI as opposed to the GUI. Now, if the CLI is the ONLY way to give   
   >> that command there is no issue. But, if the GUI version is available then   
   >> it's affectation to choose otherwise.   
   >    
   > I agree, if it's easier in the GUI then do it that way. I would. What   
   > people are trying to tell folks is that many times even the simplest   
   > task in the GUI is quicker and easier in the CLI.   
   >    
   > For example, if there are hundreds of picture files in a directory   
   > with a mix of .jpg's, .png's, .bmp's etc. And one wants to delete all   
   > of the .bmp's. Which is easier and faster?   
   >    
   > Nautilus:   
   >    
   > Go to Edit   
   > Select "Select Pattern"   
   > Type in "*.bmp"   
   > Click "OK"   
   > Right click on one of the selected files.   
   > Select "Delete"   
   >    
   > CLI:   
   >    
   > rm *.bmp   
   >    
   > It's not hard either way, but which is the easiest and fastest   
   > if you know both ways? When people learn the CLI, it only helps   
   > become more productive.It's not a must learn in many cases but    
   > it definitely is a good thing to learn.   
   >    
   > I also wouldn't call "rm *.bmp" very complex. It is much easier   
   > for people giving help to do it with "rm *.bmp" than to go through the   
   > Nautilus steps. So what is the easiest way?   
      
      
   TC:   
      
   Hummm ... cut my teeth ? Yeah I did that on SGI_Iris boxes in 1991. But I   
   moved on .....    
      
      
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