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   From: Topaz_Crow    
   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
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   On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:21:12 +0100, Michel Firholz  wrote:   
   > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:34:29 -0600, Topaz_Crow wrote:   
   >   
   >>>> It does not hurt to introduce newbies to a little CLI action   
   >>>> from time to time.   
   >>>>   
   >>> how do you know, what is supposed to hurt them?   
   >>>   
   >>    
   >> Because the CLI is a good thing.    
   > Do you feel well as a CLIslamist?   
   > ;-)   
   > Open your mind, there are other ways!    
      
   I think that I have said many times over that I know there are other   
   ways. Use the tool that works the best. But why should one not be   
   taught all of the tools so they have the choice?   
      
   >   
   >>>> So giving a little help with command line actions is a little   
   >>>> introduction that will not hurt at all but may help a lot.   
   >>>>   
   >>> sure, if they have been asking for!   
   >>    
   >> They are asking to learn Linux.    
   > No, definitely not. They have been asking to solve a problem.   
      
   Exactly. Take the help they are given and get over their phobia of CLI   
   commands. It's easier much of the time for people to give CLI help vs.   
   trying to explain how to wade through the GUI. Sometimes the person   
   giving the help may not be familiar with the specific window manager   
   the person is using.   
      
   >   
   >> They are going to have to get over the   
   >> fact that it's not Windows and learn to use Linux of which a big part   
   >> of is the CLI.    
   > Please take a look at http://help.ubuntu.com   
   > although they are explaining the basics (and the console ;-)) from the   
   > beginning, they give both ways in their examples. That is well understood   
   > didactics.   
      
   This is because CLI is a good thing to get used to.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> And this junk about the CLI being hard is just that,   
   >> junk.    
   > Who pretended that the CLI is hard? Me? I just told you that there is   
   > other ways.    
      
   There are other ways. Many times the CLI is the easiest way. Some   
   people are saying the CLI is hard. It's not. I do agree with you on   
   most of what you are saying but I   
   don't agree that newbies should be spared CLI help.   
      
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