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   From: Topaz_Crow    
   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
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   On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:57:36 -0500, noshellswill    
   wrote:   
   > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:33:31 -0600, Topaz_Crow wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:43:08 +1100, John Fitzsimons  wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:11:41 -0600, Topaz_Crow   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:19:59 -0500, Mark Warner  wrote:   
   >>>>> Michel Firholz wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>< snip >   
   >>>   
   >    
   >   
   >>> Not only is a CLI archaic it is also very very tedious for those of us   
   >>> who don't want to have to learn a large number of "commands".    
   >>    
   >> This is how most users who are afraid or too lazy or just don't know   
   >> how to type more than two words per minute think. The CLI is no more   
   >> archaic than clicking on an OK button but it is definately more   
   >> powerful.   
   >>    
   >>>   
   >>> What Unix users tend to ignore is that to use Unix you need to have    
   >>> a very good memory. If you don't remember EXACTLY what the syntax    
   >>> for a command is then it doesn't get executed.   
   >>>   
   >>> With windows going through menus, and clicking, requires little/no   
   >>> memory at all.   
   >>    
   >> Well, if one does not have the memory capacity to remember a few   
   >> commands, I guess there is no hope and there will continue to be   
   >> people asking for help in these groups. Soon, memory capacity will   
   >> degrade to the point that people refuse to learn how to work a mouse.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > Downplay CLI complexity?? Sorry TC, the numbers do NOT support your   
   > case. Truth is, The command line is HUGELY more complex than a GUI.    
      
   No it's not. People are just scared of it.   
      
   >   
   > Take this crude example:    
   >   
   >     1) A certain GUI command requires the choice between two ( 2 ) buttons:   
   >   
   >     2) For the typed keyboard version of that same command    
   >     requiring ---say--- ten ( 10 ) characters, the number of   
   >      possible typed combinations is ~ 100 ^ 10 .     
      
   This does not make any sense. There are also a multitude of things to   
   click in the GUI. If someone learns the CLI, typing a 10 character   
   command is many times much faster than clicking through the menus.   
      
   The CLI is not hard to learn. I cut my teeth in the Red Hat 5.0 days   
   and *HAD* to learn the CLI. It didn't take long to learn what I needed   
   to get along just fine.   
      
   >   
   > Assuming LOG complexity, the usr faces ~ 70x as difficult a task in   
   > the CLI as opposed to the GUI. Now, if the CLI is the ONLY way to give   
   > that command there is no issue. But, if the GUI version is available then   
   > it's affectation to choose otherwise.   
      
   I agree, if it's easier in the GUI then do it that way. I would. What   
   people are trying to tell folks is that many times even the simplest   
   task in the GUI is quicker and easier in the CLI.   
      
   For example, if there are hundreds of picture files in a directory   
   with a mix of .jpg's, .png's, .bmp's etc. And one wants to delete all   
   of the .bmp's. Which is easier and faster?   
      
   Nautilus:   
      
   Go to Edit   
   Select "Select Pattern"   
   Type in "*.bmp"   
   Click "OK"   
   Right click on one of the selected files.   
   Select "Delete"   
      
   CLI:   
      
   rm *.bmp   
      
   It's not hard either way, but which is the easiest and fastest   
   if you know both ways? When people learn the CLI, it only helps   
   become more productive.It's not a must learn in many cases but    
   it definitely is a good thing to learn.   
      
   I also wouldn't call "rm *.bmp" very complex. It is much easier   
   for people giving help to do it with "rm *.bmp" than to go through the   
   Nautilus steps. So what is the easiest way?   
      
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