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   From: Topaz_Crow    
   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
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   On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:43:08 +1100, John Fitzsimons  wrote:   
   > On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:11:41 -0600, Topaz_Crow   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:19:59 -0500, Mark Warner  wrote:   
   >>> Michel Firholz wrote:   
   >   
   >< snip >   
   >   
   >>> The point remains that there *will* come a time when the only way to   
   >>> accomplish a certain task will be through the command line. When that   
   >>> time comes, it will be easier for the new user if he has a little bit of   
   >>> experience with the CLI, no matter how limited.   
   >   
   >>It will also, maybe, give the new user an idea of the power of the   
   >>command line. IMHO, people are missing much of the power of Linux    
   >>if they avoid the console.?It's not archaic, it's a very power part   
   >>of the system that they should not be scared of.   
   >   
   > Not only is a CLI archaic it is also very very tedious for those of us   
   > who don't want to have to learn a large number of "commands".    
      
   This is how most users who are afraid or too lazy or just don't know   
   how to type more than two words per minute think. The CLI is no more   
   archaic than clicking on an OK button but it is definately more   
   powerful.   
      
   >   
   > What Unix users tend to ignore is that to use Unix you need to have    
   > a very good memory. If you don't remember EXACTLY what the syntax    
   > for a command is then it doesn't get executed.   
   >   
   > With windows going through menus, and clicking, requires little/no   
   > memory at all.   
      
   Well, if one does not have the memory capacity to remember a few   
   commands, I guess there is no hope and there will continue to be   
   people asking for help in these groups. Soon, memory capacity will   
   degrade to the point that people refuse to learn how to work a mouse.   
      
   People do not memorize all of the commands anyway. Just a few helpful   
   ones like "man", "info", and "help". I agree, pretty hard stuff. After   
   all, there are still people who cannot figure out how to use the   
   GUItools available. This is very apparent by looking at Windows help   
   groups. If the damn GUI was the cure all that everyone says it is, why   
   are there Windows help groups?   
      
   It's not about GUI vs. CLI. It's apparent that some people can do   
   without one or the other.   
   If something is easier to do in GUI, then do it that way. If something   
   is easier in CLI, do it that way. To introduce someone to Linux, is to   
   introduce people to the CLI also. Asking the experts in these groups   
   to not show people their way of doing things is unrealistic. After   
   all, they are the experts. Now we have newbies telling these experts   
   that they shouldn't be trying to teach CLI stuff for some reason or   
   other. Pretty stupid if you ask me. But that's probably why they are   
   here asking for help anyway. Please note that I'm not talking about   
   all new Linux users, just the ones that refuse to listen to the advice   
   they are given because they can't be troubled to learn the system they   
   are asking for help to learn.   
      
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