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   From: Topaz_Crow    
   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
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   On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:02:06 +0100, Michel Firholz    
   wrote:   
   > SINNER wrote:   
   >   
   >>> Why the hell should a rookie user need the network routing table?   
   >>   
   >> Security. If your machine is connected directly to the internet you   
   >> should understand how to protect it. Ignorance is no excuse for   
   >> stupidity.   
   >>   
   > Stupidity?   
   > I love your diplomacy!   
   > Why the hell should rookies be directly connected to the Internet?   
   > Routers with integrated firewalls exist, most of the people have one.   
   > ... otherwise GUI firewalls exist too.   
      
   And this is so easy that we have hundreds of thousands of zombie   
   Windows computer clogging the net with spam and other junk. Running a   
   computer comes with the responsibility of keeping that computer under   
   control. This problem stems from people not wanting to learn how a   
   computer works. Even in the Windows world this is not an easy thing.   
      
      
   >   
   >>> 99% of the people using the computer never would have to bother in   
   >>> their lives (and it's good so).   
   >>   
   >> Simply not true (either statement)   
   >>   
   > Let's say: you believe that it is not true... please users, who have fiddled    
   > with the routing table, raise your hands!.   
      
   You seem to be the one not understanding. Everyone seems to applaud   
   the efforts of Ubuntu to make life easy for new users. I know I do. I   
   recommend Ubuntu to anyone who asks about Linux. Hook it up and GUI to   
   your hearts content. But when someone asks for help, how can you   
   expect the people in the know to not resort to the most powerful tool   
   in the inventory to help out the stumped newbie? These experts are   
   advocating learning the CLI because they learned it and know how   
   useful and time saving it is. If someone wants to be taught how to use   
   Linux, then pay attention and learn what people are telling them. So   
   you have to read some things. So what? We are all obviously literate   
   enough to ask for help. Maybe some of us will just have to stop being   
   lazy and read a bit.   
      
      
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   Topaz Crow   
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