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From: Goeroeboeroe
Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:32:28 +0100
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Op Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:29:55 +0000, schreef SINNER:
> * Goeroeboeroe wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
>> Op Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:39:54 +0000, schreef SINNER:
>
> [...]
>
>>> So? Until I got to Ubuntu, I was compiling slrn and leafnode among many
>>> other apps just for the experience, BTW, I was once an average user as
>>> were we all.
>
>> I sait that because you said you had to compile it yourself. But this was
>> just a remark. I reacted more on your saying most of the mailprograms in
>> Linux are not good (or similar words).
>
> I NEVER said anything even remotely similar to that, why would I, I have
> never had a bad experience with any and I am currently messing with mutt
> and procmail.
Maybe I mixed you up with somebody else. In that case I apologize. Sorry.
[...]
>> But hardware is a problem. In my case I
>> had to install XP on VMWare, because both my printer and scanner don't
>> work on Linux.
>
> This goes back to compatible HW. What kind of Printer / Scanner.
>
>> Tried everything, there's just no driver. Period. And that's the case
>> for a lot of people. And that will change in a not too long time, I
>> guess.
>
> It will only change if you bug the hardware manufacturers. Of course HW
> compatibility is MUCH better in Linux than in Windows and much hardware
> works out of the box under Linux while under windows it usually requires
> a driver disk. Older, more obscure HW not withstanding.
Yes, you're right. If the hardware is recongnized by Linux it's easier.
But the problem is that I DO have those printer and scanner at the moment.
And I know it has to do with the manufacturer making drivers, or
publishing specifications, probably because they have some kind of
agreement with Microsoft. But the problem does exist. Lots of people have
one or more devices that don't work completely with Linux at the moment,
or they have to do pretty complicated things, like installing drivers for
graphic cards by hand. And that is, at the moment, often easier in
Windows. Just put the cd in it and it's fixed. On Kubuntu Edgy I had to
enable a repository for a nvidia driver. Then there was an almost hidden
message I had to type something in the terminal (almost hidden: I had to
open a window to see it...). Finally that message gave a wrong command. I
had to search on internet to find the right command. No big deal for me,
but I don't see aunt Tracy and Uncle Rob do these things. But I'm sure
that's changed for the better in a not so long time.
[...]
> When Vista is widely available you will notice that people will need to
> check HCL's before installing because vista will not support much legacy
> HW. You cant just expect HW to work if you haven't done your homework.
>
>> So I say the people I work: stay with XP, don't buy Vista (when it's
>> for sale here), and if you buy new hardware: buy something that's gonna
>> work on Linux.
>
> Yup.
[...]
>> Maybe we have a different description what a 'average' user is. I
>> follow some Ubuntu/Linux-forums, and most of the people there already
>> know something about computers. Maybe not about Linux, but most of the
>> time they do know something about Windows.
>
> Yes, they know how to point a mouse and click a button blindly.
>
>> The people I come at home very often really don't know the difference
>> between a browser and a mail client.
>> I think you overestimate the average user. And possibly I
>> underestimate, because people who pay me to troubleshoot are obviously
>> not the biggest computer-experts. When there's the slightest chance I
>> try to talk those people to a helpforum or something like that, but
>> even that's too difficult, most of the time.
>
> A web forum is too difficult? These are NOT average users, sounds like
> you mostly service the elder generation perhaps similar in age to my
> parents (I am 39)
Okay, you clearly don't overestimate the average user either :o)
You're right about the elder generation. That's probably because younger
people always have somebody around who knows enough, or thinks he/she
knows enough, to fix things. But this is a pretty big group of people.
It has, in my opinion, also to do with marketing. Microsoft and most of
the computershops just brainwash peopel: working with a computer is easy
and you don't have to learn anything. Which is not true, of course. And
when I (or somebody else) comes around and sais "hey, you have to use your
brains", they mentally run away to Windows because there they only have to
click. And don't understand how comes their computer is infected with all
kind of rubbish. (Almost all computers I see have malware on them.)
[...}
> No, I didn't there are PLENTY of good mail clients, perhaps you
> misunderstood something I posted?
Probably. Again: sorry.
Peter
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