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From: SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid>
Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:29:55 GMT
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* Goeroeboeroe wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
> Op Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:39:54 +0000, schreef SINNER:
[...]
>> So? Until I got to Ubuntu, I was compiling slrn and leafnode among many
>> other apps just for the experience, BTW, I was once an average user as
>> were we all.
> I sait that because you said you had to compile it yourself. But this was
> just a remark. I reacted more on your saying most of the mailprograms in
> Linux are not good (or similar words).
I NEVER said anything even remotely similar to that, why would I, I have
never had a bad experience with any and I am currently messing with mutt
and procmail.
>>> I've been working with computers for over 20 year, and worked a lot on
>>> computers in people's home. The average user is attracted by Windows
>>> because they only have to click and don't have to remember anything
>>> (they think, so I can make a living by removing spyware, viruses, etc.
>>> :o) If an average user switches to Linux, I think at the moment
>>> somebody else with some knowledge has to install it for her/him.
>> And Windows is different how? The average user NEVER installs windows.
>> That said Linux distros have come a long way in the install department
>> and IME installs much easier ON COMPATIBLE hardware than windows ever
>> has.
> YES! That's exactly what I mean! I should also add some things like
> shockwave and streaming media. But hardware is a problem.
> In my case I had to install XP on VMWare, because both my printer and
> scanner don't work on Linux.
This goes back to compatible HW. What kind of Printer / Scanner.
> Tried everything, there's just no driver.
> Period. And that's the case for a lot of people. And that will change in
> a not too long time, I guess.
It will only change if you bug the hardware manufacturers. Of course HW
compatibility is MUCH better in Linux than in Windows and much hardware
works out of the box under Linux while under windows it usually requires
a driver disk. Older, more obscure HW not withstanding.
> If somebody now is installing Ubuntu (for example), there's a big chance
> some hardware is incompatible.
I have 2 old laptops and an older 1.2 ghz AMD all of which have no
issues with Ubuntu, including wireless networking and Nvida based
displays and an all in one HP scanner printer all of which worked with
little or no effort and NO driver disks and rebooting involved.
When Vista is widely available you will notice that people will need to
check HCL's before installing because vista will not support much legacy
HW. You cant just expect HW to work if you haven't done your homework.
> So I say the people I work: stay with XP,
> don't buy Vista (when it's for sale here), and if you buy new hardware:
> buy something that's gonna work on Linux.
Yup.
>>> And that average user is
>>> going to use Thunderbird or KMail or another point-and-click-program,
>>> not pine or slrn or some other CLI mail-program.
>> No, the average NEW user is going to ask:
>> Whats the Best....
>> Just search any *nix based group for the above phrase.
> Maybe we have a different description what a 'average' user is. I follow
> some Ubuntu/Linux-forums, and most of the people there already know
> something about computers. Maybe not about Linux, but most of the time
> they do know something about Windows.
Yes, they know how to point a mouse and click a button blindly.
> The people I come at home very often really don't know the difference
> between a browser and a mail client.
> I think you overestimate the average user. And possibly I underestimate,
> because people who pay me to troubleshoot are obviously not the
> biggest computer-experts. When there's the slightest chance I try to talk
> those people to a helpforum or something like that, but even that's too
> difficult, most of the time.
A web forum is too difficult? These are NOT average users, sounds like
you mostly service the elder generation perhaps similar in age to my
parents (I am 39)
>> Ubuntu has ~20,000 apps in the repositories, its a rare occurrence that
>> one would not find a prepacked application and once found installation
>> is easier than it is on windows.
> Yes, I agree fully with you. But you complained about the lack of good
> mail clients.
No, I didn't there are PLENTY of good mail clients, perhaps you
misunderstood something I posted?
--
David
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