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   From: Goeroeboeroe    
   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
   Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:10:02 +0100   
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   Op Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:39:54 +0000, schreef SINNER:   
      
   > * Goeroeboeroe wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:   
   >> Op Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:06:25 +0000, schreef SINNER:   
   >    
   >>> * Goeroeboeroe wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:   
   >    
   >>> [...]   
   >    
   >> In that case I can reassure you: slrn is in the Ubuntu's repositories,   
   >    
   > In what case? My first experience with slrn was on Mandrake and I   
   > compiled it myself.   
   >    
   >> so   
   >> it can be installed with about two mouseclicks or typing about five words   
   >> in the terminal.   
   >    
   > So? Until I got to Ubuntu, I was compiling slrn and leafnode among many   
   > other apps just for the experience, BTW, I was once an average user as   
   > were we all.   
      
   I sait that because you said you had to compile it yourself. But this was   
   just a remark. I reacted more on your saying most of the mailprograms in   
   Linux are not good (or similar words).   
      
   >> I've been working with computers for over 20 year, and worked a lot on   
   >> computers in people's home. The average user is attracted by Windows   
   >> because they only have to click and don't have to remember anything   
   >> (they think, so I can make a living by removing spyware, viruses, etc.   
   >> :o) If an average user switches to Linux, I think at the moment   
   >> somebody else with some knowledge has to install it for her/him.   
   >    
   > And Windows is different how? The average user NEVER installs windows.   
   > That said Linux distros have come a long way in the install department   
   > and IME installs much easier ON COMPATIBLE hardware than windows ever   
   > has.   
      
   YES! That's exactly what I mean! I should also add some things like   
   shockwave and streaming media. But hardware is a problem.   
   In my case I had to install XP on VMWare, because both my printer and   
   scanner don't work on Linux. Tried everything, there's just no driver.   
   Period. And that's the case for a lot of people. And that will change in   
   a not too long time, I guess.   
   If somebody now is installing Ubuntu (for example), there's a big chance   
   some hardware is incompatible. So I say the people I work: stay with XP,   
   don't buy Vista (when it's for sale here), and if you buy new hardware:   
   buy something that's gonna work on Linux.   
      
      
      
   >> And that average user is   
   >> going to use Thunderbird or KMail or another point-and-click-program,   
   >> not pine or slrn or some other CLI mail-program.   
   >    
   > No, the average NEW user is going to ask:   
   >    
   > Whats the Best....   
   >    
   > Just search any *nix based group for the above phrase.   
   >    
      
   Maybe we have a different description what a 'average' user is. I follow   
   some Ubuntu/Linux-forums, and most of the people there already know   
   something about computers. Maybe not about Linux, but most of the time   
   they do know something about Windows.   
   The people I come at home very often really don't know the difference   
   between a browser and a mail client.   
   I think you overestimate the average user. And possibly I underestimate,   
   because people who pay me to troubleshoot are obviously not the    
   biggest computer-experts. When there's the slightest chance I try to talk   
   those people to a helpforum or something like that, but even that's too   
   difficult, most of the time.   
      
   [...]   
      
   >   
   >    
   > Ubuntu has ~20,000 apps in the repositories, its a rare occurrence that   
   > one would not find a prepacked application and once found installation   
   > is easier than it is on windows.   
      
   Yes, I agree fully with you. But you complained about the lack of good   
   mail clients.   
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