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   From: SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid>   
   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
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   * Goeroeboeroe wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:   
   > Op Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:06:25 +0000, schreef SINNER:   
      
   >> * Goeroeboeroe wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:   
      
   >> [...]   
      
   >>> Sorry, but this is really getting ridiculous. As I noted before: there's   
   >>> not one new Linux user that's going to install Pine.   
      
   >> Not sure I can agree. I use slrn regularly. When I first loaded Linux I    
   >> moved from pan to slrn within weeks of my first install.   
      
   >> How would slrn be any different in your above argument? Mutt?   
      
   >> Are you saying this because it is a CLI based app?   
      
   > In that case I can reassure you: slrn is in the Ubuntu's repositories,   
      
   In what case? My first experience with slrn was on Mandrake and I   
   compiled it myself.   
      
   > so   
   > it can be installed with about two mouseclicks or typing about five words   
   > in the terminal.   
      
   So? Until I got to Ubuntu, I was compiling slrn and leafnode among many   
   other apps just for the experience, BTW, I was once an average user as   
   were we all.   
      
   > I've been working with computers for over 20 year, and worked a lot on   
   > computers in people's home. The average user is attracted by Windows   
   > because they only have to click and don't have to remember anything (they   
   > think, so I can make a living by removing spyware, viruses, etc. :o) If an   
   > average user switches to Linux, I think at the moment somebody else with   
   > some knowledge has to install it for her/him.   
      
   And Windows is different how? The average user NEVER installs windows.   
   That said Linux distros have come a long way in the install department   
   and IME installs much easier ON COMPATIBLE hardware than windows ever   
   has.   
      
   > And that average user is   
   > going to use Thunderbird or KMail or another point-and-click-program, not   
   > pine or slrn or some other CLI mail-program.   
      
   No, the average NEW user is going to ask:   
      
   Whats the Best....   
      
   Just search any *nix based group for the above phrase.   
      
   Which starts a religious argument along with a listing of what people use   
   and why and will make a decision based on that. Pan, slrn, et all IME are   
   not installed by default and so they will need to ask unless they are   
   running KDE and stumble onto knode, and if they want extended binary use   
   they will soon realize how poor a newsreader choice they made and back   
   to:   
      
   What is the Best...   
      
   > But if it's really that   
   > important for somebody to use that one special program, that person should   
   > choose a Linux-flavor that has that program in the repositories. Or the   
   > user should learn to compile etc.   
   > But that's exactly the same for every   
   > OS. There are some nice programs on Linux, that don't run on Windows. If   
   > you want to run them on Windows, you have to start doing complicated   
   > things too. But again: the average user doesn't do this things. I don't   
   > care if somebody uses Linux or Windows or Mars of Solaris or Jupiter or   
   > Kitchensink. But it is not the amount of programs, or the quality, that   
   > makes Linux difficult for the average user. That's past. It's installing,   
   > things like flash, streaming media, etc. And actually that has less to do   
   > with Linux than with patents etc. And I think that problem will be gone in   
   > another year or so.   
      
   Ubuntu has ~20,000 apps in the repositories, its a rare occurrence that   
   one would not find a prepacked application and once found installation   
   is easier than it is on windows.   
      
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