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   From: "Laszlo Lebrun"    
   Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware,alt.os.linux.ubuntu   
   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
   Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:38:14 +0100   
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   Chris Game wrote:   
   > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:25:42 +0100, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:   
   >   
   >>> Trying to install such a basic program as Pine - which must be ages   
   >>> old - means one has to compile from source to get a decent working   
   >>> binary with all the features.   
   >   
   >> Due the licence that comes with PINE, distribution of binaries are   
   >> not allowed, hence there are no binary packages for debian.   
   >   
   > Not quite right, there is a debian package on the UW website (this is   
   > fairly recent); the main licensing problem was that UW didn't like to   
   > see modified versions of Pine offered because of support/quality   
   > issues, the next version (called 'alpine' for the moment) will be on   
   > an open source license. Open source/free software obsessives didn't   
   > like the current license conditions so refused to include Pine in   
   > distributions.   
   >   
   You should not hen incriminate the distros.   
      
   > My point was that to get even such a simple program working well on   
   > Linux, you have to apply various patches then compile from source.   
   > This is not the way to support customers in the 21st C.!   
   >   
   Blame UW.   
      
   > [...] The whole   
   > Linux project suffers from dissipation of effort into too many   
   > channels. If it were better focused Linux could have captured the   
   > desktop OS market by now.   
   God made life together with diversity. Linux is darwinistic. I also would    
   sometimes prefer, it were more focused. But focused on what?    
      
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