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   Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:59:55 GMT   
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   * Chris Game wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:   
   > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:25:42 +0100, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:   
      
   >>> Trying to install such a basic program as Pine - which must be ages old   
   >>> - means one has to compile from source to get a decent working binary   
   >>> with all the features.   
      
   >> Due the licence that comes with PINE, distribution of binaries are not   
   >> allowed, hence there are no binary packages for debian.   
      
   > Not quite right, there is a debian package on the UW website (this is   
   > fairly recent); the main licensing problem was that UW didn't like to see   
   > modified versions of Pine offered because of support/quality issues, the   
   > next version (called 'alpine' for the moment) will be on an open source   
   > license. Open source/free software obsessives didn't like the current   
   > license conditions so refused to include Pine in distributions.   
      
   > My point was that to get even such a simple program working well on Linux,   
   > you have to apply various patches then compile from source. This is not   
   > the way to support customers in the 21st C.!   
      
   > Linux apologists will point out that there are many email programs that   
   > can be used instead. Unfortunately most are unfinished and of poor   
   > quality, not what you want from an important resource.   
      
   Apologists?    
      
   Anyway, mutt is unfinsihed and of poor quality? What does pine do that   
   mutt doesnt?   
      
   > project suffers from dissipation of effort into too many channels. If it   
   > were better focused Linux could have captured the desktop OS market by   
   > now.   
      
   If that was its goal...   
      
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