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From: bigjon
Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:02:55 GMT
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:42:33 +0000, MCR wrote:
> Michel Firholz wrote:
> Snipped
>> I don't feel being understood.
>> I did not say that people should be "kept away the CLI" and never learn it.
>> Let's formulate it clearly again:
>>
>> *If there is a package available*, please mention the package and don't
>> tell rookies to tweak the .conf's and the root directories until you have
>> got reasonable evidence that they know what they will do and won't be lost
>> if it goes wrong.
>>
>> Prefer to give the way over Adept than APT.
>>
>> Don't omit to mention that a specific repository is required.
>> And explain how to get it.
>>
>> There is nothing against pasting a single command into a shell *if it is
>> safe and don't never require further unexplained actions*. Mostly however
>> on vanilla system's they're unlikely to do alone and then the rookies get
>> lost and abandons, grumbling against Ubuntu, which don't deserve that.
>>
>>
>
> Speaking as a relative noob I must say I agree with this poster. I can
> give a solid example. I wanted Nvidia drivers and I found a Ubuntu help
> page that went into extensive detail on how to get it up and running.
> Chaning Init.d or something and starting without X.. there was Chmod
> this Sh that and I understood what I was doing, but the commands and
> expressions were alien. The whole process took me around 30 mins.
>
> Compare this to a newsgroup posting about Automatix, I added the
> repository, updated, installed and was away in five mins.
>
> People bragging about their CLI prowess and writing complex scripts
> alienates and confuses new people and reinforces the view as an
> operating system GNU/Linux is confusing and intimidating.
Agreed, I spent about an hour typing and googling and failed to update the
driver, installed Automatix and had it up in a few minutes.
I didn't even realise I needed the extra drivers for Nvidia until I started
to play with the screensaver settings.
Please, if the apps to do these operations are out there at least give us
the option when you are helping us monkeys - I still would have tried the
CLI first anyway as part of the learning experience, but with no other
option it can lead to complete despair at first...
Maybe the included help in the distro could mention alternatives like
Automatix etc ?
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