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   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
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   Michel Firholz wrote:   
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   > I don't feel being understood.   
   > I did not say that people should be "kept away the CLI" and never learn it.   
   > Let's formulate it clearly again:   
   >    
   > *If there is a package available*, please mention the package and don't   
   > tell rookies to tweak the .conf's and the root directories until you have   
   > got reasonable evidence that they know what they will do and won't be lost   
   > if it goes wrong.   
   >    
   > Prefer to give the way over Adept than APT.    
   >    
   > Don't omit to mention that a specific repository is required.    
   > And explain how to get it.   
   >    
   > There is nothing against pasting a single command into a shell *if it is   
   > safe and don't never require further unexplained actions*. Mostly however   
   > on vanilla system's they're unlikely to do alone and then the rookies get   
   > lost and abandons, grumbling against Ubuntu, which don't deserve that.    
   >    
   >    
      
   Speaking as a relative noob I must say I agree with this poster.  I can    
   give a solid example.  I wanted Nvidia drivers and I found a Ubuntu help    
   page that went into extensive detail on how to get it up and running.    
   Chaning Init.d or something and starting without X.. there was Chmod    
   this Sh that and I understood what I was doing, but the commands and    
   expressions were alien.  The whole process took me around 30 mins.   
      
   Compare this to a newsgroup posting about Automatix, I added the    
   repository, updated, installed and was away in five mins.   
      
   People bragging about their CLI prowess and writing complex scripts    
   alienates and confuses new people and reinforces the view as an    
   operating system GNU/Linux is confusing and intimidating.   
      
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