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   Subject: Re: My ubuntu experience   
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   Topaz_Crow wrote:   
   > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:20:16 +0100, Michel Firholz    
   wrote:   
   >> Sybren Stuvel wrote:   
   >>> Michel Firholz enlightened us with:   
   >>>>> Can you tell me how to get the network routing table without   
   >>>>> resorting to a commandline interface on those systems?   
   >>>> Why the hell should a rookie user need the network routing table?   
   >>> Because his internet connection isn't working?   
   >>>   
   >> Why should it not been working, if they did not tweak the things to death?   
   >>   
   >>>> 99% of the people using the computer never would have to bother in   
   >>>> their lives (and it's good so).   
   >>> Still, you stated Windows and MacOS are 100% GUI. That means that   
   >>> something trivially easy as getting the routing table should be   
   >>> available in a GUI as well.   
   >>>   
   >> if they were enough users to need it, yes without any doubt.   
   >> As you see: nobody cares.   
   >    
   > You know, many of my Mac using friends were overjoyed when OS X came   
   > out and had the BSD core. They were exploring the command line and   
   > always asking me how to do this and that on the CLI. They liked it   
   > because it allowed them to do many things that they could not do in   
   > the GUI. Even Mac users like the CLI.   
   >    
       You say that as if it should surprise one. Even in the oldest   
   of Mac OS versions users could explore lower level interaction   
   with the OS via scripting with included tools. The power of *IX,   
   IMO, lies with the kernel itself. The power of the CLI, which can   
   exist in most any OS environment, including windows, lies with the   
   commands and ability to connect them via pipes and scripting. *IX   
   environments are excellent in this respect, but the number of users   
   who will need/want to use these tools is a small percentage of the   
   population of computer users. In some various SVR4 implementations   
   certain commands were simply Bourne shell scripts....I think either   
   df or du was one example. But, point and click versions of almost   
   all shell commands are doable, and for many users will suffice. That's   
   the value of free choice. The philosophy of OSS, I believe, is not to   
   direct how things should be done, but rather to provide tools as   
   appropriate for users.   
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