On 09/29/2016 12:13 AM, Pedro Silva -> rick christian wrote:   
      
    PS> Have you tried Devuan ? https://devuan.org/   
      
   DOA! Nothing has happened in that thing after its initial *POP*   
      
   Plus.. DFSG   
      
   DFSG kills things like MP3 support... I am not in this for that side of the   
   fence.. Like it or not Mp3 and the baggage it has/is here to stay. I honestly   
   don't care about the source... All I want to do is apt-get install move on in   
   my life. If there is an issue/bug.. I make a report the creator/author fixes   
   it... if not I find something else.. In the last 20+ years its taken that long   
   to come across something non C. While all you "cool" coders took C, I had and   
   already learned PASCAL.. I walked through that class... didn't really need to   
   go.. get assignment due it in 5 minutes, work on other things for other   
   classes, SQL, etc.. Python is about the only thing current I've picked up,   
   because I had not choice in regards to another project...   
      
   But C forget anything that uses the word VOID as part of the language needs to   
   be sent to a dark black VOID! :) ;)   
      
   I offer OGG feeds of something, and 1, ONE, SINGLE person outside of myself   
   has ever used it...   
      
   So things like darkice I need and use daily have to be compiled for MP3 under   
   any direct Debian based (Ubuntu fixes this), and I've only ever been   
   successful with that on Raspian, as there was DETAILED STEP BY STEP directions   
   which didn't leave out 30 obscure libs that you need which if you are not some   
   GCC guru would never figure out.   
      
   It appears that 14.04 is the end of the line for me, and that is where I will   
   be stuck.. since all the major distros have drunk the systemd flavorade, and   
   have packaged things post 16+ in such a way that even if you could go back to   
   upstart, everything in the repo's is now broken and has dependencies on   
   systemd related stuff. Their own instructions on reverting this don't work..   
   I've got the carcasses of the VM's to prove it! :) :) ;)   
      
   Like the most current binkd package in Ubuntu ties things to an unneeded   
   dependency.. I surgically removed that, and it works.. It needs a little   
   manual TLC. (mostly a sudo update-rc binkd defaults)  but it's fine for   
   14.04.. and its probably fine for 12.04 too.   
      
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