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   Subject: Re: Ubuntu machine on the way Friday   
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   "Josiah Jenkins"  wrote in message    
   news:dhiqu2dsih18j5lvh8eoo6ta8adlapmq98@4ax.com...   
   > Whilst perusing Usenet on Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:28:53 -0800, I read   
   > these words from NoStop  :   
   >>Pete wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> I've been surfing the web and not found a good answer to the question of   
   >>> how to add a program/package from the Internet (not already in   
   >>> repository). What "directory" do I download to from the Internet so I    
   >>> can   
   >>> itstall it using synaptic?   
   >>> God this could use a simple download and .exe file like Windows.   
   >>   
   >>If it's a deb file you just download it to someplace within your home   
   >>directory. I have firefox setup to send all downloads to a "Downloads"   
   >>directory in my home directory. Then you navigate to that directory with   
   >>Nautilus (the Gnome file manager) and simply double-click on the deb file   
   >>to install it. Couldn't be simpler. Much easier than Windoze.   
   >   
   > Eckshully, that's almost identical to the Windoze procedure   
   > (if you choose to set it up that way). A downloads folder, navigate   
   > to there via file manager, double-click the .exe file and tell it   
   > where to install the program.   
   >   
   > The bigger difference is where the 'shortcut' to start the program   
   > ends up ! In Windoze, you have to tidy up the Start/All Programs   
   > menu manually or it can end up as a total mess.   
   >   
   > And, like a lot of of things in Linux, that's probably not   
   > a task that the inexperienced user wants to have a go at !   
   >   
   > As an experienced Win user but a Linux newbie, I reckon both   
   > systems have their good points . . . and bad.   
   >   
   > The one major gripe that I have against Ubuntu is the inability   
   > to log in _from_a_boot_ as 'su' (and a different password)   
   > when you're trying to set the system up from scratch. Similar   
   > to what you could do as 'administrator' on a buttoned-down   
   > NT4 / W2K Win installation.   
   >   
   > I've been trying to change 'permissions' on an .ogg file.   
   > Even as sudo or gksudo and using a tag managing program,   
   > I still can't find out how in Ubuntu . . . 'permission refused'.   
   > Or you get it changed but it won't save !!!   
   >   
   > The same file on a Win XP box. Not a problem, you can do   
   > it easily in File Mangler and, remember, ogg is _not_a native   
   > file system to M$.   
   >   
   > As I said, IMO both systems have their good points, and bad.   
   >   
   > (I've even managed to get a 'chocolate screen of death'   
   > in Ubuntu which made me feel right at home and makes   
   > a change from the blue and black ones !)   
   >   
   > I actually wonder whether all those years I spent 'tinkering'   
   > with .ini and .bat files in DOS and Win makes it harder   
   > to adjust. Whereas, to a new user, a GUI is a GUI is a GUI !   
   >>   
   >>All that being said, you're better off, if a package is available in the   
   >>repos to use Synaptic or apt-get to download and install it. This may on   
   >>occasion require adding new repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list.   
   >   
   > Talking of which, anyone know if the Ubuntu 'universe' and 'multi-   
   > universe' repositories are linked to the main Debian one ?   
   > Or do all the distros tap into the same couple of repositories ?   
   > Not that it matters, I'm just curious !   
   >>   
   >>Unfortunately, not all programs you may want to install are already    
   >>packaged   
   >>into a deb file. Those that are not are usually available as source code   
   >>files that require compiling on your system to make them into functional   
   >>binaries.   
   >   
   > That last sentence can put the fear of death into a newbie !   
   >   
   > "Source code" . . . like Cobol, Fortran, Pascal and Lisp ?   
   >   
   > "Compile" . . . like put lines of 'ifs, ands and ors' together ?   
   >   
   > "Binaries . . . aren't they just dirty pictures you download ?   
   >   
   > Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh !   
   >>   
   >>Ubuntu with it's 20,000 packages in its repos, pretty much covers   
   >>most of what you'll need.   
   >   
   > Agreed. That's one of the *big* advantages.   
   > And if you don't like the program and want to try a different one,   
   > dump one and install another just by ticking a couple of boxes.   
   >   
   > -- jjj   
   frightening.   
   -Pete    
      
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