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   Carlos Navarro to Nicholas Boel   
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   07 Apr 24 10:36:11   
   
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   04 Apr 2024 17:29, you wrote to me:   
      
    CN>> Nevertheless, those are the suggested values (that JamNNTPd   
    CN>> uses). Other numbers could be used instead, as long as they are   
    CN>> 78 or less.   
      
    NB> Ok. So it's doing what it should be doing, then?   
      
   Yes.   
      
    CN>> The code block for format=flowed appends spaces to the end of   
    CN>> wrapped lines and does the 'space stuffing' at the beginning   
    CN>> (inserts extra space if it begins with space), as defined in the   
    CN>> RFC.   
      
    NB> Why would you want to stuff spaces at the beginning of a line if it   
    NB> starts with a space? What is the reasoning behind that?   
      
   It seems it's because of this:   
      
   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   
   Space-Stuffing   
      
      In order to allow for unquoted lines which start with ">", and to   
      protect against systems which "From-munge" in-transit messages   
      (modifying any line which starts with "From " to ">From "),   
      Format=Flowed provides for space-stuffing.   
   [...]   
   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   
      
    NB> I think the problem comes in to play with this example:   
      
    NB> Quoting a 78 (78 is just an example, it could probably be anywhere   
    NB> from 74 or 75 or more characters) character line with smartquote will   
    NB> not reformat the line back to 78 characters (or within the 79 line   
    NB> width limit it should be at). It will then append the space, initials,   
    NB> quote character, and another space.. now making it 4 or 5 characters   
    NB> longer. This will then wrap the last word to the next line and it   
    NB> won't have a quote character in front of it.   
      
    NB> I would imagine it would also do this without smartquote enabled,   
    NB> however it wouldn't add as many characters to the line, so you would   
    NB> see the issue less (only when a line hits 77 or 78 characters   
    NB> probably).   
      
   That's a different issue....   
      
   I intend to experiment a bit with Thunderbird's mailnews.wraplength setting.   
   Maybe a value higher than the default (72) would work better with Fidonet (but   
   there may be other problems...)   
      
    NB> Golded seems to handle this, but Golded also seems to support   
    NB> displaying quoted lines longer than 79 characters, which may very well   
    NB> be because of the issue(s) above.   
      
   GoldED is great with handling all types of quotes. I'm afraid we cannot expect   
   all newsreaders to work fine with FTN-style quotes (AFAIK only HotdogEd does).   
      
   Carlos   
      
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