10 Nov 16 23:32, you wrote to me:   
      
    ml>> clothes and they're too ignorant to understand why... you took a   
    ml>> shortcut when you assumed that JAMNNTPd supportes RFC-3977 when it   
    ml>> doesn't and never purported to do so...   
      
    RC> I am not going to start this ....process up.   
      
   you already did several weeks ago...   
      
    RC> I did not take a shortcut..   
      
   you sure as hell did, too...   
      
    RC> I am looking at what the issue is with Pan and Knode(Knews) not   
    RC> working.   
      
   right... you found out that they are not checking for the capability of a mode   
   switching server before they ASSUME that it is a mode switching server and as   
   such they are disconnecting based on their ERRONEOUS ASSUMPTION...   
      
    RC> Pan gave the info I needed to start the process, it listed the error   
    RC> Error 500 Unknown Command...   
      
   no... it reported what JAMNNTPd returned...   
      
    RC> At this point I looked what MODE READER was...   
      
   and you didn't look to see if it was something from RFC-977 which is what   
   JAMNNTPd supports... it does not support anything more than RFC-997 and only   
   two commands from RFC-2980... you'd have seen this if you had read the   
   ReadMe.txt file...   
      
    RC> It appears 3 of the most used profer this command up on an intial   
    RC> connection.   
      
   that doesn't make them or the practise correct...   
      
    RC> No client I've seen goes the route you proffer ie: HELP, parse,   
    RC> CAPABILITIES, parse.. send command...that testing is not definitive as   
    RC> I tested with 3.   
      
   oh well... i guess that means that several others have also taken shortcuts   
   instead of doing thing properly from the outset...   
      
    RC> It appears the clients are assuming that all servers respond to this,   
    RC> and only thunderturkey seems to basically just ignore a 500 error and   
    RC> then go ahead and issue LIST.   
      
   like i said, it doesn't mean that the practise is correct... it won't be the   
   first time that a bunch of popular software packages have been doing things   
   incorrectly all along... quite a few FTN mailers (for an example) used to   
   specifically work around the flawed transmissions from a specific FTN   
   mailer... when those mailers all stopped working around that mailer's flaws,   
   that flawed mailer was finally fixed... think about it... that was roughly two   
   decades ago...   
      
    ml>> there are quite a few news clients available... Cone, Gemini, Gnus,   
    ml>> GRN, KLibido, Knews, KNode, krn, Lucy, Mahogany, SeaMonkey,   
    ml>> Thunderbird, Newega, NewsFlex, Newsleader, NN, PAN, PINE, PNNTP, Post   
    ml>> Office, Pyne, rn, SkateNews, skim, slrn, Sylpheed, tass, TIN, trn,   
    ml>> Trulsnews, XRN, and xvnews...   
      
    RC> Nice list from wiki,   
      
   BZZZT! try again! ;)   
      
    RC> outside of Pan, KNode(Knews), tin, thunderturd, never heard of them.   
      
   obviously :)   
      
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