Hello mark!   
      
   10 Nov 16 11:17, you wrote to me:   
      
    ml> clothes and they're too ignorant to understand why... you took a   
    ml> shortcut when you assumed that JAMNNTPd supportes RFC-3977 when it   
    ml> doesn't and never purported to do so...   
      
   I am not going to start this ....process up.   
      
   I did not take a shortcut.. I am looking at what the issue is with Pan and   
   Knode(Knews) not working.   
      
   Pan gave the info I needed to start the process, it listed the error Error 500   
   Unknown Command...   
      
   At this point I looked what MODE READER was...   
      
   It appears 3 of the most used profer this command up on an intial connection.   
      
   No client I've seen goes the route you proffer ie: HELP, parse, CAPABILITIES,   
   parse.. send command...that testing is not definitive as I tested with 3.   
      
   It appears the clients are assuming that all servers respond to this, and only   
   thunderturkey seems to basically just ignore a 500 error and then go ahead and   
   issue LIST.   
      
      
    ml> there are quite a few news clients available... Cone, Gemini, Gnus,   
    ml> GRN, KLibido, Knews, KNode, krn, Lucy, Mahogany, SeaMonkey,   
    ml> Thunderbird, Newega, NewsFlex, Newsleader, NN, PAN, PINE, PNNTP, Post   
    ml> Office, Pyne, rn, SkateNews, skim, slrn, Sylpheed, tass, TIN, trn,   
    ml> Trulsnews, XRN, and xvnews...   
      
   Nice list from wiki, outside of Pan, KNode(Knews), tin, thunderturd, never   
   heard of them.   
      
      
   Rick   
      
      
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