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   Hello Nick,   
      
   On Thursday July 24 2025 17:02, you wrote to me:   
      
    NB> I think at this point applications are accepted as long as applicants   
    NB> can make a binkp connection, and send a netmail.   
      
   Yes that seems to be the case. But once they are accepted, they are seldom   
   checked again. If checked, only for a responding server, not for responding to   
   netmail. So we have many ghost systems in the nodelist...   
      
    NB> But, I would like to also hope that most of us have some kind of   
    NB> technical knowledge. I bet we'd both be surprised with what is really   
    NB> the case, though. ;)   
      
   I am afraid you are right...   
      
    >> All in all 100 Fidonet sysops who's node supports IPv6 isn't really   
    >> that bad.   
      
    NB> I agree. While there may be more nodelisted sysops than IPv6 systems,   
    NB> There's definitely less than 100 people that regularly participate in   
    NB> the English speaking side of Fidonet these days.   
      
   Don't gorget that these days many if not most messages in Fidonet are written   
   in the Cyrillic alphabet...   
      
    NB> So if the IPv6 list is bigger than that active participants list, I'd   
    NB> say it's doing pretty dang good.   
      
   Still... As I mentioned before, when promoting IPv6 in Fidonet I sometimes run   
   into a brick wall. The first brick wall is that of denial. No, denial is not a   
   river in Egypt. (Roy Witt) IPv6 is a hype, there is noo need for it, IPv4 is   
   functioning well and will remain to do so, if not for the rest of the century,   
   then at least for the coming decades.   
      
   For those confronted with te reality of IPv4 exhaustion and the shattered   
   brick wall of denial, there is brick wall #2. Hang on to IPv4 no matter what   
   tricks it needs.   
      
   IPv4 exhaustion may not be a serious problem for the incumbents in parts of   
   the world where IPv4 was historically issued as if it would last forever. But   
   for newcomers getting enough IPv4 to give all their potential customers a   
   globally routable IPv4 address is a serious problem. So serious that some of   
   the newcomers in the fast gowing fibre glass sector here in Europe have   
   stopped doing it. They have gone DS-Lite. They offer fully fledged IPv6 but   
   their IPv4 is behind CGNAT. Earlier this year I came across a German sysop   
   who's fibre company (the only one available in the area) did not offer a   
   globally routable IPv4 address. The logical course for him (IMHO) was to   
   upgrade his system to IPv6. But he decided to stick to IPv4 instead. There is   
   a company in Germany: feste-ip.net. They offer various services to customers   
   that no longer get a globally routable IPv4 address from their ISP. I have   
   used their services myself and reported about it in my Fidonews asrticles   
   about "DsLite emulation experiment". I used the less advanced option of the   
   IPv4 to IPv6 port proxy. It makes a sever IPv4 accessable but it requires the   
   customer to have working IPv6. He choose the more advanced option where the   
   customer does not have IPv6. Hanging on to IPv4 no matter what the   
   complications and the cost...   
      
      
   Cheers, Michiel   
      
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