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   Am 16.01.22 schrieb Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 in IPV6:   
      
   Hallo Michiel,   
      
   MvdV> Thanks. But you end I being right does not change the reality that the   
   MvdV> transition is not completed and that we are past the point where it can   
   MvdV> be done without becoming ugly. Some of us will have to make do without a   
   MvdV> globally routable IPv4 address before IPv6 is the dominant protocol.   
      
   At least the use of DS-Lite ISP connections makes it a little more     
   apparent to the customers that IPv4 has some disadvantages over IPv6     
   nowadays.   
   But I guess the vast majority of 'consumers' who only use simple web     
   browsing, email and media streaming services won't notice it anyway.   
   So in theory, the transition for those consumers can continue as long     
   as the services that most people use are reachable via IPv6.   
      
   AN>> :) I'm working for the local public library, a part of the   
   AN>> municipality.   
      
   MvdV> As a volunteer or as a payed employee? I think it makes a difference. As   
   MvdV> a volunteer you may have more influence and more freedom to make a   
   MvdV> difference.   
      
   No, that's my full time job (and I get payed - lucky me *g*).   
   And although I'm in the IT department of the library, there are other     
   departments 'above' us who run the city-wide IT.   
      
   AN>> And as I'm living in Germany, I'm happy that I do have a working   
   AN>> computer and not only a typewriter and a fax machine. Our library   
   AN>> building still has some IBM Type-1 cabling (from Token Ring-days) that   
   AN>> we're using for Ethernet via some adapters... I don't think that IPv6   
   AN>> days will come soon here...   
      
   MvdV> While you equipment may be old, I do not think it is hopeless. Even   
   MvdV> WIndows XP supports IPv6 and that IBM-1 cabling with ethernet adapter   
   MvdV> should be IP version agnostic just like any other type of network cable.   
      
   MvdV> So what is stopping you - other than a boss paying you salary - to do   
   MvdV> some updating?   
      
   Well, you're right (and yes, I know that even via 'real' Token Ring,     
   you can use IPv6 *g*).   
   My point was more in the direction of the mentality of German     
   bureaucracy. Changes here take ages.   
   We are still stuck to Microsoft (Windows, Office, AD... all the nice     
   things that malware loves) and until this year we're still using Lotus     
   Notes (Exchange/Outlook will follow ... *shiver*).   
      
   And I'm trying to update things. We've moved out library management     
   system to Linux servers some years ago (and now it's running much more     
   stable and reliable than before) and are updating hardware as good as     
   we can.   
   But as said before, we're not on the top of the hierarchy in the     
   municipality, we are dependant on others who run the network. So we     
   can't move to IPv6 on our own :)   
      
   MvdV> Sure. But there is a reason I took an account with them. Five years ago,   
   MvdV> I figured there was a reasonable chance that I would loose my globally   
   MvdV> routable IPv4 address. That is why I ran the DS-Lite emulation   
   MvdV> experiments. I wanted to be prepared in case my ISP converted my   
   MvdV> connection to DS-Lite. It has not happened yet. But when it happens, I   
   MvdV> will be prepaired.   
      
   That's always a good idea!   
   I could set up a VPN tunnel to one of my vServers, or use some kind of     
   service that you mentioned, to be reachable from outside again.   
   Let's see how all this will turn out.   
      
   Regards,   
   Anna   
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