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   Hello Dan,   
      
   On Friday October 04 2019 08:56, you wrote to me:   
      
    MvV>> Sad indeed.   
      
    DC> I don't find it "sad", just "reality".   
      
   So let's call it the "sad reality".   
      
    DC> I have no option to get/use IPv6 here where I live.  It's not offered   
    DC> by any ISP that I know of.   
      
   When there is a want, there is a way. There is an option.   
      
   1) As others have mentioned you could use a tunnel. For you he.net may be the   
   best choice. They offer 6in4 tunnels as a free service.   
      
   2) If your ISP does not offer IPv6 yet, you should make noise.   
      
    MvV>> I have come across sysops who's provider offers IPv6 but they   
    MvV>> refuse to make use of it. IPv6 is too fat and too complicated   
    MvV>> and it is not needed they say. :(   
      
    DC> Well, it's not actually *needed*, is it?  Fidonet is working just   
    DC> fine here on IPv4, just as it always has.   
      
   It isn't /needed/ yet, but it will be needed in the foreseeable future. But   
   then again, Fidonet itself is not "needed". Fidonet ios a hobby created by   
   pioneers. Since when are pioneers stopped by "lack of perceived need"?  What   
   happened to that pioneer spirit?   
      
    DC> Most people (including me) don't care.   
      
   That is the sad part. That uncle Joe does not care does not matter. That   
   Fidoenet sysops - supposedly pioneers - don't care is sad.   
      
    DC> When the v4's run out, things will be different.   
      
   The IPv4 addresses HAVE run out. Years ago.   
      
   Projected RIR Address Pool Exhaustion Dates:   
      
   RIR      Exhaustion Date     Remaining Addresses in RIR Pool (/8s)   
   APNIC:   19-Apr-2011         0.1881   
   RIPE NCC:14-Sep-2012         0.0575   
   LACNIC:  10-Jun-2014         0.0231   
   ARIN:    24 Sep-2015         0.0002   
   AFRINIC: 20-Feb-2020         0.2240   
      
   The difference with oil is that the numbers are not burned. Whatever is there   
   remains usable. But there is no way one get get more of them.   
      
    DC>   For now..... it's not needed.   
      
   "We don't need a telephone system, we have an excellent system of messenger   
   boys".   
      
      
   Cheers, Michiel   
      
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