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   -=> On 03-03-19 11:50, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-   
      
    MvV> There is an EU directive that forbids ISPs to force their equipment on   
      
   While not relevant to me (long way from EU ;) ), this discussion is   
   nteresting.   
      
    MvV> customers. Some countries such as Germany have already implemented it.   
    MvV> Here in The Netherlands the big ISPs are still dragging their feet. Now   
    MvV> the argument is where the ISP's network ends and the customers network   
    MvV> starts. The cable boys are now trying to twist is so that the modem   
    MvV> part is "their" part of the network and the router is part of the   
    MvV> customer's network. That way they can still demand that the customer   
    MvV> use their modem but can have its own router. The tweakers want their   
    MvV> own modem as well. The jury is still out on that issue...   
      
   That does raise some good questions - where does the ISP's network end and the   
   customer's start?  In Australia, at the physical level, the ISP's network now   
   doesn't go anywhere near the premises, because the last mile is carried by the   
   NBN infrastructure, which is currently owned by a government owned entity.    
   Even before the NBN, in many cases, a different telco owned the DSLAM and   
   copper lines to the ISP.  Now, if the ISP owns the infrastructure (cable, etc   
   in many countries), then which side of the divide is the modem on?  And does it   
   depend on who purched the modem?   
      
   But logically, one could argue that the ISP's network starts at the device   
   which does the login (over PPPoE or whatever).  Looks like this is one for the   
   courts to resolve.   
      
      
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