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   Good ${greeting_time}, Michiel!   
      
   03 Mar 2019 11:50:42, you wrote to Tony Langdon:   
      
    TL>> I feel lucky in having a great ISP. I could use any compatible   
    TL>> router I wanted to for my physical connection, which is VDSL.   
    MvdV> There is an EU directive that forbids ISPs to force their   
    MvdV> equipment on customers. Some countries such as Germany have   
    MvdV> already implemented it. Here in The Netherlands the big ISPs   
    MvdV> are still dragging their feet. Now the argument is where the   
    MvdV> ISP's network ends and the customers network starts.   
      
   We had similar discussion ca. 2007, and the result was "the jack on a cable   
   belongs to the ISP, the socket on a network device belongs to the customer".   
      
    MvdV> The cable boys are now trying to twist is so that the modem   
    MvdV> part is "their" part of the network and the router is part of   
    MvdV> the customer's network.   
      
   That's correct: their equipment converts *DSL or optical link to the copper   
   ethernet, and there's the ISP's ethernet cable between the ISP's converter and   
   the customer's router.   
      
    MvdV> That way they can still demand that the customer use their modem   
    MvdV> but can have its own router. The tweakers want their own modem   
    MvdV> as well. The jury is still out on that issue...   
      
   So the modem _must_ be just a bridge - it _must_ _not_ be a router.   
      
      
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