-=> Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-   
      
    MvV> Hmm.. I see that I should have been more specific than "they" in the   
    MvV> 2nd sentence of the quote above.   
      
   Yes, had we been conversing in person, I would have asked for clarification of   
   which "they" you mentioned. :)   
      
    MvV> I was talking about my ISP. Here there is just one ISP on the cable.   
    MvV> That is the "they" I meant above. But there also is xDSL available on   
    MvV> the old copper from the POTS era. On the old POTS copper one has a   
    MvV> choice of about a dozen ISPs. Albeit at lower speed...   
      
   That was the situation with cable here, but with the HFC networks in Australia   
   (No HFC around my location anyway)   
      
    MvV> My first cable modem was a Motorola Surfboard. Indeeed just a bridge   
    MvV> after which I had my own router. The modem was on loan from the ISP,   
      
   I can't remember what my first cable modem was, but the second one was a   
   Surfboard.  Both were bridges.   
      
    MvV> the router was my own. Now "they" only have modems with a build in   
    MvV> router. They do not sell them, you get them on loan.   
      
   I'm not sure exactly what the arrangement was when I had cable.  Yes, they   
   "supplied" the modem, but I can't recall the exact arrangement.  All I know is   
   when I had to upgrade, it was like "turn everything off, swap modems, wait 5   
   minutes and then restart everything - oh, and throw the old modem away...".   
      
    MvV> Most xDSL providers have the same or a similar policy. Some of them   
    MvV> even offer full stack native IPv6.   
      
   Yep. :)   
      
    MvV> The reason I stay with the cable is that they have an attractive "all   
    MvV> in one" offer. TV + Telephone + internet. With much more bandwith than   
    MvV> xDSL.   
      
   Yeah, I don't do cable TV, even when I was on the cable - I never found it good   
   value.  Netflix is the first subscription service I've found worth paying for,   
   for TV.   
      
    MvV> No fiber in this area...  And no IPv6 on any of the mobile providers...   
      
   I'm not aware of any mobile providers with IPv6 here either. :(   
      
      
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