>   Re: Rise of the Dark Nets   
    >   By: Poindexter Fortran to S/370 on Sat Aug 17 2013 08:06 am   
    >    
    >  >   Re: Rise of the Dark Nets   
    >  >   By: S/370 to All  on Fri Aug 16 2013 09:52 pm   
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    >  > S/> So any good tips on this subject? Are we safe from the NSA with SSH   
    >  > S/> v2? SSL? General thoughts?   
    >  >    
    >  > I think ubiquitous encryption helps. Encrypt your email to your friends,   
    >  > you shopping list, your secret love letters. Get a VPN, route everything   
    >  > through it. Run your web traffic through SSL through an SSH tunnel   
    >  > through your VPN. Increase the amount of crap that needs to be encrypted   
    >  > exponentially.   
    >  >    
    >    
    > Although encrypting everything cannot hurt, I am afraid that it is   
    > impossible to have private realtime communication. At best encryption can   
    > hide the whats, but even mixers like tor cannot hide the whoms which could   
    > be enough to target someone for more direct surveillance. Probably the best   
    > we can hope for is a store and forward network that sends all traffic to   
    > everyone. That will let us encrypt and decrypt with some assurance that the   
    > whoms cannot be derived.   
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   I2P delivers that, as does Freenet.  Both do a pretty good job of hiding the   
   source, and the client.   
      
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