Subject: Re: tbird=POS // Re: Posting from Opera Mail   
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   On 6/26/2009 4:23 PM, Jas Hud wrote:   
   >> Again, I have no idea of what you are refering to?  the  UI has always    
   >> been similar to "Outlook Express" with account separation.     
   >    
   > i'm referring to the patronizing dumbing down of the UI and settings,    
   > LIKE OUTLOOK.   
      
   I guess I just don't know what exactly you are referring to...  If you could    
   give a couple examples of how they've dumbed down things?  I can't speak for a    
   first time install, as I haven't done a fresh install for anyone in over a    
   year, that didn't import the settings from another app (OE).   
      
   >> calendar support, but even then it is nothing like Outlook, and if you    
   >> say it does, you haven't used outlook since 1997 or so.   
   >    
   > I'm not referring to 3rd party addons, i'm referring to thunderbird.   
   >    
   > it looks too much like outlook to me; and yes... i've used outlook on a    
   > regular basis.   
      
   Dunno, I have Outlook 2007 at work, and it looks nothing like Thunderbird to   
   me.   
      
   >> That's fair, however, there's a bit of overhead to using Mozilla's XUL    
   >> application environment in and of itself, same as Firefox.   
   >    
   > i think tbird needs to go. it's a bloated ugly POS, just like outlook.   
   >    
   > there's a lot better out there in regards to free email clients.   
      
   So use them... I feel that currently Thunderbird suits my needs well, which    
   gives me very good support and a decent interface for handling multiple imap    
   mail and nntp newsgroup accounts.  Since v0.9 it's been pretty damned stable,    
   and I can drag my profile into about any OS out there.  That last part is what    
   really keeps me with it... I've gone from Win2k, to XP, to Linux, to OSX, to    
   Vista, to Linux, to Win7 without having to do much more than a minor    
   search/replace on my profile's prefs.js file.   
      
   I don't get what I do out of thunderbird in any other client I've tried.  I'm    
   also not aware of any client that is more portable than Thunderbird.  It would    
   be really nice to have an XMarks style plugin for those of us that only use    
   tbird with imap and nntp (which could keep my account info, and read pointers    
   in sync between desktop environments)...  I've used rsync, and even xcopy    
   before, and it gets a little wonky.   
      
   Also, some level of backup/restore from the menu system itself, with an    
   advanced option to restore a backup on install would be nice as well.  A    
   signature editor, that kept sig files in the profile folder would be good too.    
     Other than that, I like it a lot.  I don't find the interface dumbed down at    
   all, and beyond the installer wizard, i have no idea what you are talking    
   about.  Could you give some examples how other mail clients aren't dumbed    
   down, and tbird is?   
      
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