I will try not to get to far out there with my update to this echo, but its not   
   easy.    
   Again thanks to everyone who is taking interest in this topic, I think its a   
   great topic and maybe it can generate and inspire innovate thoughts for some   
   problems with the current internet, the information age, and how to continue to   
   enable everyone to be more free with information sharing and obtaining.    
      
   I really wanted to reply to some of you because all of your thoughts are good.   
   I even find the argument about this echo a nice addition to the general problem   
   with the current internet. Because this echo has a number of responses Its   
   really difficult to quote each one and highlight some of the things I found   
   pretty interesting. I'm not that good with echo mail yet.   
      
   I also didn't really want this to be about a debate be rather get a census for   
   current ideas and thoughts related to if I'm the only person out there who   
   things the current internet, search engines, social media is really dumbing   
   down the public who is using it. I don't use most of social media, evident by   
   my post here and no other place. I think the current political and corporate   
   climate is not safe to post ones thoughts generally. In addition the idea posts   
   becoming immortal within the internet and used to evaluate individuals based on   
   current and emerging trends doesn't lend well to candid or constructive views.    
      
   Examples are where you post anything about a fun night you had out could impact   
   your ability to be promoted. Or CNN will come look for you and start a campaign   
   to make your current and future life and ability to advance your lot in life a   
   nightmare or impossible. With this thought in mind I don't believe the   
   information age as arrived nor do I believe the current internet was meant to   
   be as it it. The folks at CERN had a different idea compared to global   
   commerce, but those in the commerce and banking industry found the internet an   
   efficient means to move information.    
      
   I had some thoughts to add to all of yours.    
   1. we all have an opportunity to make the internet a better place. As some have   
   pointed out the internet is what you look for.    
   2. I really think talking about the internet not just the small % of it we see   
   available via major search engines but additionally those parts that are not   
   available.    
      
   I also wanted to highlight some aspects of availability, access to, and   
   presentation.    
   	availability is a huge aspect of information that will be consumed generally.    
   		I find this similar to schools teaching our children.   
   		Its not really the fault of the ignorant that they are ignorant   
   		Those who are not have a general responsibility under society's   
   		egalitarian hope, with solidarity to guide those that are   
   		ignorant. Not for the benefit of literate but for the benefit   
   		of both literate and ignorant. There is a mutual benefit. Often   
   		corporations and governments see this as consent to benefits in   
   		a way where those receiving should pay, or give more than they   
   		receive so govs and corps can profit and transfer wealth from   
   		the masses by any means possible.   
   		Good and valid information should be available and easy to find   
   		This really makes all the difference in the world.    
   		Those in North Korea with there 26 websites vetted by their   
   		government have little to no chances as responsible ignorants   
   		of finding and obtaining valid information to enhance their or   
   		anyone elses lives.    
   		Our youths in poor public schools have less opportunity based on   
   		terrible educations compared with those in rich affluent regions   
   	   
   	access; without it no way anyone can use the information if it did   
   		exist. Here we see this often. In America many research   
   		initiatives are funded via tax/government assistance. These are   
   		things like cancer research, many scientific research initiatives   
   		all become unavailable to the general public; even though, the   
   		public paid for it or a portion of it. Although with $$$ an   
   		individual can obtain such information but generally no.    
   	presentation; this is where things like yahoo.com and google.com   
   		generally present a small % of the internet to the mass public.   
   		here is where you search for things and those who have accounts   
   		with google and other search providers show up at the top of   
   		the search results. This is how the shopping from google starts   
   		, now I realize this isn't for every search result. The other   
   		interesting fact from presentation is how malware is injected   
   		from paid advertisements that show at the top of the hit list   
   		via banner adds and other forms that internet criminal organi-   
   		zations pay to google and google and other major providers help   
   		perpetrate cyber-crime against its users.    
   		If I present 1 beer (budwiser) day and night to you, when some   
   		person says lets get beer the first thing you will think is   
   		budwiser. This is the concept that presentation guides and   
   		creates markets that may not have existed before. If I offer   
   		something I can create main channel markets and sub channel   
   		profits. This is exactly what has occurred with gmail and why   
   		there are large class action suites against google and yahoo.   
   		In part this is a sub channel market that the legal demographic   
   		is tapping into, those firms will make mass $$ compared to those   
   		who were hurt by the actions of the primary market.    
      
   Now I thought I would address more related to responsibility of the users of   
   the internet.   
   Because I feel this goes in 2 directions I believe people have a responsibility   
   to not just do what they can, but do what they should. Part of that is about   
   providing valid information. I can't recall how many cancer cures I've seen   
   that appear absolutely ludicrous or coconut oil for vaginal health, and a   
   myriad of things that are virtually impossible for the general person to   
   disprove or research for utter lack of a lifetime at the computer and the lack   
   of a research group. People have a responsibility to provide valid information   
   not for making money but for providing information to people for the good of   
   everyone. The current trend is for commerce. People think how to make money at   
   youtube. Look up a video and what do you hear, ??? don't forget to subscribe,   
   and like, and share, ...etc. Solicitations for commercial generation. The   
   internet for free information should and could be free.    
      
   Take the FDA stance on sugar being healthy based on lobbyist that causes a mass   
   epidemic world wide. The sugar industry isn't forcing people in general to eat   
   sugar per say but propaganda combined with government support has degraded the   
   health of millions, whereas if the sugar industry not only produced their   
   government backed studies on the subject and had unbiased scientific   
   information without profits in mind, and why federally funded info isn't   
   available.    
      
   These aspects are the concepts that govern the control of information within   
   the current mainstream internet based on the laws of the current technology.   
   The visible controls shrouded in legalsleeze are what is binding people to   
   stupidity and driving them towards a consumer age never seen before, compared   
   with genesis and intent of the internet; information age. Difference is the   
   hunters vs the hunted, we are the hunted and not being equipped to be hunters.   
   private data mined that is provided by the people is studied and although that   
   information you are providing is no longer yours, permanent, and used against   
   you to create psychological hooks for you to continue to provide information   
   and pay for consumption, based on EULA and other laws.    
      
   I think some of these things we are talking about highlight some causes of the   
   dumbing down of information to continuously create a desire to consume   
   entertainment and anything easily persuade general public to spend money and   
   provide nothing of value, and if value in information is provided its quickly   
   disputed or perceived to be invalid to maintain the focus on spending money and   
   having people provided feed back for corporates to understand how to get every   
   person to continue to consume their products, weather its healthy for consumers   
   or not.    
      
      
   Things like distributed computing mentioned by others is such a great example   
   of reshaping the internet and with that thought in mind allows people to start   
   redefining search engines and capabilities that take the power from a single   
   person or corporation and put it into the hands of the people, at least until   
   someone or some government tries to usurp it.   
      
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