On 10/10/2010 02:48 PM, Ross Sauer -> TIM RICHARDSON wrote:   
    RS> "TIM RICHARDSON -> ROSS SAUER" <1:123/140> wrote in   
    RS> news:10804$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:   
      
    RS>>> With Fred Phelps' daughter arguing in front of the Supreme Court,   
    TR>> (and RS>they had to disinfect the chamber after,) something I wonder   
    TR>> about.   
      
      
    RS>>> Is Fred Phelps and his brood actually Christian?   
      
      
    RS>>> And please none of this "They aren't true Christian" nonsense   
    TR>> either.   
      
      
    TR>> I've explained this to you before, many times, but you are too   
    TR>> thick-headed to catch on. You let your religion-hatred get in the way   
    TR>> of your common sense, a problem that seems to be pretty ingrained with   
    TR>> your type.   
      
      
    TR>> However.......I'll try again.   
      
      
    TR>> To be a Christian means to be `Christ-like'.   
      
    RS> Does being "Christ-like" include hatred based on religion?   
      
   No.   
      
    RS> Because I keep seeing self-proclaimed Christians, including yourself,   
    RS> spew absolute hatred of *ALL* Muslims.   
      
   Tim has never claimed to be a Christian.   
      
    TR>> Studying Christ and his life and ministry, you see a way of living   
    TR>> that is non-violent, non-criminal, and deeply charitable.   
      
    RS> You mean like the megachurch preachers who preach about how sick our   
    RS> society is, yet they are so corrupt they stink on ice?   
      
   No, not at all.   
      
    RS>>> Osama Bin Laden is described as a Muslim.   
    RS>>> Meir Kahane was described as a Jew.   
      
      
    TR>> Studying the life of Mohommad, you see a life of anger,   
    TR>> forced-conversion, war, death, slavery, demeaning of women, hatred.   
      
    RS> Studying the life of Moses and the other "heroes" of the Old Testament,   
    RS> you see the same thing.   
      
   No you don't.   
      
    TR>> Osama bin Laden is a Muslim. Islam is about conquering, slavery, hate,   
    TR>> suicide, war, .........   
      
    RS> Likewise the Old Testament.   
      
   Nope.   
      
    TR>> I have a question for you:   
      
      
    TR>> Each time someone brings up the fact that the world of Islam is trying   
    TR>> to force their `world' on the rest of the world......Klahn or you, his   
    TR>> sock puppet, pop up with `well.....it isn't *all* Muslims, only a   
    TR>> select few. The rest of the Muslim world is against that'....or words   
    TR>> along that line.   
      
    RS> Oh, and Christians aren't?   
      
   Nope.   
      
    RS> One of the heads of the Southern Baptists wants yoga outlawed, since it   
    RS> has elements of Eastern religions in it sometimes.   
      
   And your point is?   
      
    RS> Also look up "Christian Reconstructionism," and "Dominionism."   
      
   Which has what to do with this discussion?   
      
    RS> Then tell me again how only Muslims want to take over the world.   
      
   The Qu'ran calls for Islam to take over the world. Nowhere in the Bible does   
   it state that "infidels" should be converted by the sword.   
      
    TR>> If this is true......where (oh...where!) is all this outrage from the   
    TR>> part of the Muslim world who are against the violence? I haven't seen   
    TR>> any. Have you?   
      
    RS> Yes, in the Sufi Muslim faith.   
      
   So says your hero Klahn, but he and you don't know what you are talking about.   
      
    RS>>> Also, should the 1rst Amendment apply to Phelps' stunts?   
      
      
    TR>> The 1st Amendment applies to everyone.   
      
      
    RS>>> I say it does, since the same people that censor Phelps, can sensor   
    TR>> anyone RS>else for any reason.   
      
      
    TR>> Do you think some soldiers attending a funeral for a fallen comrade,   
    TR>> should surround a few of the pukes holding the signs and shouting vile   
    TR>> insults at their comrade's family, and beat the shit out of them?   
      
    RS> No.   
    RS> It gives Phelps grounds for lawsuits, and that is how he and his brood   
    RS> make money.   
      
   Uh... the lawsuit was brought by the family of a young man killed in action in   
   Iraq.   
      
    RS> It also is free speech suppressed by a mob.   
      
   Huh?   
      
   Ed   
      
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