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|    EARL CROASMUN to TIM RICHARDSON    |
|    Arizona discrimination    |
|    14 Mar 14 11:21:08    |
      -> EC>You insist on using your objections to a sex act as an objection to       -> EC>marriage. THAT is a classic example of a "strawman" argument.               -> You are trying to make *ME* the subject of this discussion              Not at all. You are voicing your objections. I am discussing those       objections. A marriage is not a sex act.              -> This is a same-sex sodomite `marriage'.              A marriage is not a sex act.              -> And a male and female couple getting `married' has nothing to do with       sex       -> relations,              Obviously.              -> and the preacher `marrying' them is not a participant in that       -> union, either.              Obviously wrong. A marriage doesn't happen without someone performing the       marriage. A marriage can happen without a cake. Preachers can decline to       perform a marriage for any number of reasons. And preachers are not public       accommodations. Which makes your example awfully irrelevant.              -> > By the way...sex between two people of the same sex is `sodomy'. It       has       -> >been defined as such since the days of Abraham and Lot, when the two       -> >cities Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed over the practice of       -> >homosexuality (among other things).              -> EC>Historically incorrect. The Supreme Court's majority opinion in       Lawrence       -> EC>v Texas goes into the history of sodomy laws.              -> EC>http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas/Opinion_of_the_Court              -> Historically correct. To a devout, practicing Christian, the Bible       supercedes       -> any court of the United States.              -> EC>The term covers different-sex as well as same-sex, as well as a wide       -> EC>variety of specific sex acts. The application you are making has       only       -> EC>been common in the last few decades. More generally, through       history, the       -> EC>term has been used for ANY sex act that is not for the purpose of       -> EC>procreation. If you really want to use the term "sodomite" to apply       to       -> EC>anyone who has given or received oral sex with anyone of either sex,       -> EC>anyone who has engaged in sex where either participant had a       vasectomy or       -> EC>tubal ligation, or where a condom or any other contraceptive was       involved,       -> EC>well, that would be more historically accurate, but it would not       support       -> EC>your argument very well.              The Court was not RULING on the meaning of the word! The Court was       reviewing the literature on the meaning of the word!              --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5        * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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