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   Message 119 of 182   
   TIM RICHARDSON to EARL CROASMUN   
   Arizona discrimination   
   07 Mar 14 09:49:00   
   
   On 03-06-14, EARL CROASMUN said to TIM RICHARDSON:   
      
   > But this baker is being pilloried because he will not sign onto the wedding   
      
      
   EC>Again, baking a cake does not involve signing onto the wedding.   
      
      
   Yes it does. And if it doesn't, then no prosecutor can ever bring someone into   
   court for furnishing the car used in a bank robbery. No citizen can ever again   
   be prosecuted for furnishing the gun that is used to murder someone.   
      
      
   By claiming that this baker *isn't signing on to a sodomite wedding by baking   
   and selling the cake he KNOWS is for a sodomite wedding, at the same time this   
   goes for other interpretations of such situations as well. No prosecutor can   
   ever go into court and claim any defendant *KNOWINGLY* furnished a weapon or   
   vehicle involved in a crime.   
      
      
   The defense then becomes ...`yeah but...he didn't "...sign on to it", yer   
   honor!"   
      
      
   EC>He would not be endorsing it.   
      
      
   A person who lends someone a car to do a bank robbery isn't `endorsing it'   
   either, right?   
      
      
   EC>He would not be giving it his blessing.   
      
      
   A person who lends someone a gun to shoot someone else isn't `giving their   
   blessing' to a murder, right?   
      
      
   EC>He does not have the power to force the wedding, nor to prevent it.   
      
      
   He isn't trying to do either one. He's simply refusing to be any party to it.   
      
      
   >> "Conscientious objector" status has some relevance to the military, but   
   >> not to photography.  The wedding can happen with or without a   
   >> photographer.   
      
      
   > It can happen with or without a wedding cake, also.   
      
      
   EC>Exactly.   
      
      
   Ah...then you AGREE that the cake really has no bearing on whether or not the   
   wedding itself occurs?   
      
      
   So then, if thats true....why don't they just go to a different bakery? Why   
   take THIS one to court? If they're so `in love', and want to badly to be   
   `married', one would think they'd want their `wedding' to be remembered as a   
   joyous occasion, and not a nasty court battle over the fucking cake!   
      
      
   Just go to a different bakery! Problem solved! Why make a court case out of   
   it?   
      
      
   And THAT speaks of there being a lot more to this than we're seeing right now.   
      
      
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