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|    Message 114 of 182    |
|    TIM RICHARDSON to EARL CROASMUN    |
|    Arizona discrimination    |
|    06 Mar 14 12:14:00    |
      On 03-06-14, EARL CROASMUN said to TIM RICHARDSON:              > The First Amendment of the Constitution states:       > `Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or       > prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...'                     EC>Bakers are free to exercise their religion, just as anyone who operates a       EC>public accommodation is free to exercise their religion.                     Aparently this baker isn't allowed to. And again: There are other bakeries in       that city. Why not take their business to one of them?                     EC>Unless that religion tells a barber something like "you are forbidden to       EC>cut the hair of someone of a different religion." If the barber wanted to       EC>discriminate, or felt that their religion required them to discriminate,       EC>they should probably look for a different line of work.                     A barber isn't a baker. And there are so many barbers out there it wouldn't       even come up. Some barbers, by the way, do NOT cut the hair of children under       a certain age. Did you know that?                     But this baker is being pilloried because he will not sign onto the wedding       between two sodomites. By making this cake for the two same-sex individuals       who want to defile the sacrament of holy matrimony, they would, indeed, be       part and parcel of that defilement. That is against their strongly-held       Christian beliefs and practices. By refusing to be any part of a defilement of       that sacred, God-mandated bond of two people, a Man and a Woman, this baker is       standing up for their religious principles, and their human values.                     > If a Christian photographer doesn't want to violate their religion by       > photographing your sodomite wedding, thats their right to not violate their       >conciencous relilgious beliefs.                     EC>"Conscientious objector" status has some relevance to the military, but       EC>not to photography. The wedding can happen with or without a       EC>photographer.                     It can happen with or without a wedding cake, also. And besides, this is not       an objection on `conciencious' grounds; it is an objection on religious       grounds, enshrined in, and protected by, the Constitution of the United       States. That document, which is supposed to be what all our laws are based on       and guided by, states our rights in the matter of religion in the very First       Amendment. It either means what it says, or it doesn't.                     It either guarantees our right to adhere to our religious beliefs, or it does       not.                     And if a pair of sodomites can topple that right over a fucking wedding cake,       then the entire Constitution has become meaningless.                                          ---       *Durango b301 #PE*         * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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