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|    TIM RICHARDSON to EARL CROASMUN    |
|    Arizona discrimination    |
|    04 Mar 14 12:12:00    |
      On 03-02-14, EARL CROASMUN said to MIKE POWELL:                     >|Because people got offended that they were required to bake cakes for same       se > |couples, states are now making discrimination legal where you can       EC>decline to > |serve people in your business based on religious purposes.       EC>Do most of you > |think this is a real dangerous idea?                     > I look at it another way... if a business would prefer not to serve me, for       > whatever reason, do I really want them to?                     EC>Depends on the situation. Let's say that you are driving across country       EC>on business. You are getting hungry. Every restaurant that you stop at,       EC>refuses to serve you. You start getting tired. Every hotel you stop at,       EC>refuses to serve you. Yeah, I think that in some cases you would want       EC>them to do business with you.                     For many decades now, it has been the right of a business owner to refuse       service to anyone.                     As a Christian, the baker in this particular instance is holding to their       Christian faith, and the teachings of the Christian bible.                     Homosexuality is not only an unnatural physical activity, it is against all       Christian doctrine. It is against Christian scripture.                     By the way...notice this isn't an `Islamic' bakery.                     Homosexuals have been pressing for acceptance in the main stream for decades.                     Each little victory for them is nothing more than an encouragement to press       further and harder.                     One of the main obstacles in their way is main stream Christianity.                     If they can overcome that one, they have won and our society will then be       defined by that degeneration.                     It has recently been defined more of a `culture' war. In fact, it has nothing       whatever to do with `civil rights' (spelled with a small `c' and small `r').                     If I were a black, I'd strongly resent homosexuals trying to define themselves       as being any part of the Civil Rights movement of yesteryear (spelled with       Capitol `C' and Capitol `R').                     It wasn't about `homosexuality' and never was. I remember those years well.       And in all those marches, demonstrations, riots, police brutality instances..       ...I never once saw the `pink' flag of the homosexual crowd in the forefront       of the violence.                     Not once did I see a homosexual get on-camera and make a pitch for Civil       Rights. Nor were there any speeches made by any homosexuals hooking their star       to the Civil Rights movement of the `60's and `70's. Never.                     But the `Jim Crow' laws were meant to seperate one race of people from       another. No such thing is being done in the case of homosexuals.                     Here's a few questions I recently ran across that sort of pin-point the real       issue in this case of a Christian baker refusing to be part of something that       violates their religious beliefs and teachings;                     A black owner of a store that sells bedding and such. Would they be required       to sell sheets to the local Klu Klux Klan? Or a black tailor shop. Would they       be required to cut out and sew the robes and hoods of klansmen?                     A Jewish printer. Would they be required to print up and sell posters of Adolf       Hitler to a Neo-Nazi group celebrating Hitler's birthday?                     Would a Christian film maker be required to `shoot' a pornographic movie?                     Then why is a Christian bakery required to bake a cake for an event that is       against all Christian teachings, not to mention against the laws of nature?                     How about an Islamic print shop? Would they be requird to print the English       translation of Salmun Rushdie's book that set the Islamic world off several       years ago?                     Another thing;                     This is *one* bakery! Can it be shown that there is no other bakery anywhere       that these two same-sex individuals couldn't have gone to, after being refused       in this one?                     Lakewood, Colorado, isn't that where this is going on?                     Lakewood is the 5th most populous city in Colorado.                     By using Google, I find there are 19 bakeries in Lakewood, Colorado.                     Lets see....19 bakeries.....hmm...one bakery out of 19 refuses to violate       their religious beliefs against homosexuality. That leaves 18 other bakeries       these two homosexuals could have gone to, after being turned down by this one.                     But they didn't. Instead, they go to court with this guy. Looks like a put-up       job.                     ---       *Durango b301 #PE*         * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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