Hello Stephen,   
      
   >> That is the problem as I see it. How does the state know what someone   
   >> might do or what psychological inclination someone might have toward   
   >> killing one or more people? If someone is determined to kill one or more   
   >> people they are not likely to care about what gun laws that might exist.   
   >> They will be able to acquire a gun regardless of any existing gun laws.   
   >> And if a gun isn't available they are likely to do their killing in   
   >> other ways using some other device.   
      
   > That is very true.  But also here in Canada because of the current laws it's   
   > pretty hard for Joe average to get an illegal gun.  Usually illegal guns come   
   > from organized crime and are smuggled in to the country or less common but   
   > still happens is they are stolen from legal gun owners.     
      
   Usually if there is a demand for a product there will be those that will work   
   to satisfy that demand. In this case provide guns.   
      
   > Problem is when the   
   > government introduces more laws restricting legal gun owners but does nothing   
   > to curb illegal guns.  We also see that if they can't get guns then they can   
   > just rent a van and go on a killing spree any way.  Why wasn't there a   
   > detailed background check done on this guy before he was allowed to rent a   
   > van?  I'm speaking of Toronto.   
      
   True. If guns become harder to acquire then those inclined to kill will simply   
   look at alternatives to accomplish their desired task. That is why I have had   
   the attitude that if the mindset of people can be changed/improved then the   
   availability of guns isn't or at least a far lesser of a factor.   
      
   I know, that is a much harder solution to accomplish. And I would suspect that   
   to some that scream "More Gun Laws" is because they don't want to face or   
   accept the actual cause of the problem. People decide to kill others. A gun,   
   knife, car, truck, bomb doesn't decide to kill anyone.   
      
      
   Jeff    
      
      
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