JS> That is the problem as I see it. How does the state know what someone   
    JS> might do or what psychological inclination someone might have toward   
    JS> killing one or more people? If someone is determined to kill one or more   
    JS> people they are not likely to care about what gun laws that might exist.   
    JS> They will be able to acquire a gun regardless of any existing gun laws.   
    JS> And if a gun isn't available they are likely to do their killing in   
    JS> other ways using some other device.   
    JS>    
      
   That is very true.  But also here in Canada because of the current laws it's   
   pretty hard for Joe average to get an illegal gun.  Usually illegal guns come   
   from organized crime and are smuggled in to the country or less common but   
   still happens is they are stolen from legal gun owners.  Problem is when the   
   government introduces more laws restricting legal gun owners but does nothing   
   to curb illegal guns.  We also see that if they can't get guns then they can   
   just rent a van and go on a killing spree any way.  Why wasn't there a   
   detailed background check done on this guy before he was allowed to rent a   
   van?  I'm speaking of Toronto.   
      
   Stephen   
      
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