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      MSGID: 2:2/2.0 10487e82       REPLY: 2:2/2.0 10487e80       CHRS: CP850 2       =================================================================        GENERAL ARTICLES       =================================================================              FTSC Election / Reminder       Ward Dossche - 2:2/1000              This is for all you RCs who haven't voted yet... there is an       election going on for FTSC Standing Members. Your are       eligible to participate.              All RCs are entitled to vote. Each voter may cast one "yes"       or one "no" vote for each candidate. Voters need not vote for all can-       didates, a non vote will be regarded as "abstain" for that candidate.       Candidates must receive more "yes" than "no" votes to be elected.              The voting started Sunday, 27 February, 2022 and will conclude       Sunday, 20 March 2022, 20:00 UTC. That's less than a week to go.              If you were listed as an RC in your zone's version of the world       nodelist.028 for 2022 then please vote.              These are the nominees.               Candidate Node nr. Nmntd by Accepted        Rob Swindell 1:103/705 ZCC(NC) Yes        James Coyle 1:129/215 ZCC(NC) Yes        Tim Schattkowsky 2:2/29 ZCC(NC) Yes              Voters are requested to copy and paste the form below, mark a       cross for each candidate in the "yes" or the "no" column for all       candidates they wish to cast a vote for and post it in FTSC_PUBLIC       addressed to "Election Coordinator with a subject of "Vote".              Voters need not vote for all candidates.               ----------------------------------------------        | Name | Node nr | Yes| No |        |----------------------|-------------|----|----|        | | | | |        | Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | | |        | James Coyle | 1:129/215 | | |        | Tim Schattkowsky | 2:2/29 | | |        ----------------------------------------------              Ward Dossche        IC              -----------------------------------------------------------------       The story of the very first Krautfunding       Ward Dossche -- 2:292/854                     Krautfunding these days seems to be very normal but it has       escaped many people how it all started and how influential       Fidonet in it has been ...              It was in 2000 sometime when a German sysop by the name of Helmut       Hullen was excommunicated by his NC, re-listed by his RC24, again       excommunicated by the next RC24, before he was finally removed the       Z2C. In the process of this both RC24 and ZC2 were threatened       with lawsuits if Helmut wasn't re-listed.              RC24 gave in but Z2C didn't crumble and Helmut Hullen took him to       court, in Belgium. Helmut Hullen hired the services of one of the       most famous criminal attorneys (Sven Mary), how he could afford       that for such a silly thing is a mistery to me. To make a long       story short, after a year and a half of proceedings and 4 sessions       he lost the case, had to pay his lawyer, had to pay a law firm in       Germany and had to pay the cost of the procedure.              My costs, as I was that ZC, were the fees of the lawyer. Pretty big       amount for a mere hobby of an insignificant network.              So here's this incredible sysop by the name of Udo Zaydowicz who       left the network in the meantime, coming up with the idea to start       a collection in R24 because the Z2C was not taken to court for some       private dispute. He was taken to court for a FidoNet matter based       upon Policy 4.07 and was representing FidoNet in court (not my       words).              Michiel van der Vlist, who started a collection in R28, wrote in       ENET.SYSOP: "Well I guess all of FidoNet has won. So       co[n]gratulations to us all."              The costs were slightly more than 1000 Euro and 30 nodes/points       in R24 plus the R28-contribution pledged more than 1500 Euro. Udo       managed the R24-portion by generally requesting about 2/3 of the       pledged amounts and upon delivery of the final invoice, that was       transferred to the Z2C. I don't remember anymore how the       R28-portion was handled.              There is an aftermath to this story ...              Helmut Hullen remained out of the nodelist but some years later       he approached the Z2C to be relisted. After consulting with the       then RC24 he was told that could happen but only if he refunded       the money my lawyer charged me ... To my surprise he did ... And a       word is a word ... Helmut became back a node after spending some       months in purgatory (i.e. as a zone-independent node 2:2/530       under my immediate view) to see if after 5 years of absence       things would remain calm.              They did and Helmut Hullen became listed as 2:2480/530 and later       as 2:2437/530.       He passed away Sept.19th 2016 and his obituary in Fidonews was       written by ... me ...              The money which he refunded to me ... I contacted all donors and       asked them what they wanted me to do ... there were a lot of small       amounts that really didn't make sense in view of the international       money-transfer rates in 2005. So I asked if it would be OK to make       a donation to a worthy cause. Some wanted the money back and were       refunded, some not plus there were people that had left my line of       sight in the meantime ... for the last 2 cases whatever money was       left was donated to "Doctors Without Borders" and proof of the       donation was sent to the people concerned. Not a remark was       received.              Hence ends the story of Helmut Hullen and the first Krautfunding in       history.              -----------------------------------------------------------------              --- Azure/NewsPrep 3.0        * Origin: Home of the Fidonews (2:2/2.0)       SEEN-BY: 1/19 2/2 16/0 19/37 123/130 129/330 331 203/0 2 124 412 218/700       SEEN-BY: 229/426 428 700 230/0 240/5832 280/464 5003 5555 301/1 320/119       SEEN-BY: 320/219 319 322/0 423/81 5020/848       PATH: 2/2 203/0 320/219 229/426           |
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