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   Michiel van der Vlist to Wilfred van Velzen   
   Fmail Compression and Decompression   
   22 Aug 23 11:08:57   
   
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   Hello Wilfred,   
      
   On Monday August 21 2023 16:33, you wrote to me:   
      
    MvdV>> It is no secret that I am not a member of the "more is better"   
    MvdV>> club. In the POTS age with high cost of data transport   
    MvdV>> "compressed better" was a valid argument. Although even then in   
    MvdV>> the end of the compression evolution the added value was so   
    MvdV>> small that it didn't really matter anymore. Is another one   
    MvdV>> percent of compression efficiency realy worth it.   
      
    WV> It was way more then 1%...   
      
   10%? Even if it was 30% it fades away against the increase in speed. I have   
   seen the modems speeds increase from 300 bps to 30000 bps. A HUNDRED fold   
   increase! What is a mere 30% better compression compared to that.   
      
   Nowadays with speeds measeured in Mbps or even Gbps isntead of kbps itis   
   completely irrelevant for Fidonet.   
      
    MvdV>>>> How many in Amiganet still actually use an Amiga?   
      
    WV>>> Enough...   
      
    MvdV>> Enough to leep LAH alive?   
      
    WV> Yes.   
      
   Hmmm...   
      
    MvdV>>>> The problem with keeping all these antiquaria, is that you   
    MvdV>>>> also have to support it. This will become increasingly   
    MvdV>>>> difficult when the knowledge evaporates...   
      
    WV>>> This is true for all of Fidonet technology. Keeping this old   
    WV>>> techniques working is partly what makes it interesting...   
      
    MvdV>> True but at some point one has to make choices that every   
    MvdV>> museum has to make. What do we keep and what do we drop? I see   
    MvdV>> little value in keeping more then one compression method alive   
    MvdV>> for Fidonet. Yes, it is interesting to keep Fidonet alive. But   
    MvdV>> not ALL of the technology that was ever used. Drop some and   
    MvdV>> focus on keeping the rest alive.   
      
    WV> Well, in this case it doesn't matter what you think. It's what the   
    WV> AmigaNet users want... ;-)   
      
   Good point. ;-)   
      
    WV> And in a museum available "real" space is probably a lot more   
    WV> expensive then available "virtual" space in AmigaNet, which is kind of   
    WV> limitless...   
      
   The virtual space needed to store the museum pieces may be "limitless", it is   
   certainly not effortless. Once you store a painting in a storage hold, it does   
   not require much attention any more. It can also easely be retrieved in case   
   someone wants to see it. Digital data is different. Without the equipment to   
   read it, it is useless. When storage media become obsolete you have to   
   transfer the data to a new medium. I no longer have the means to read paper   
   tape or punch cards. I could probably make pictures of it and have some smart   
   optical recognition software read it. Floppy disks is more difficult. Compact   
   disk is even more difficult. Long term storage of digital data is not all that   
   easy without constant effort and cost...   
      
      
   Cheers, Michiel   
      
   --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303   
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