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   -=> Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-   
      
    DC> Would you prefer that those echoes be killed off, and FidoNet take   
    DC> yet another step closer to the grave?   
      
    WD> I wonder ... how much is still alive ... that's a different   
    WD> question than 'How many sysops are listed?" ... "How many still   
    WD> participate?" ... I think a lot fewer than we expect ...   
      
   Probably, yes.   
      
    WD> There are whole regions with dysfunctional RCs ... nets with   
    WD> dysfunctional NCs ... that is the reality. Nothing's being done   
    WD> about it and if I dare raise the issue I'm the bogey-man that   
    WD> needs to mind his own business.   
      
   Yes, that sucks and I'm not sure how that can be fixed.  Maybe some    
   people need to be fired and new ones installed.  But...., that's not the    
   issue under discussion here in this thread.  It's related, sort of, but    
   not the focus of my question above.   
      
    DC> Perhaps they'll be revived, now that it's under "new ownership".  Why   
    DC> would you not want that to happen?  What have you got to lose?  Nobody   
    DC> is asking you to do anything.  Perhaps you should hush up and let others   
    DC> do things that are in the best interests of FidoNet.   
      
    WD> OK ... I'll hush up and see how successful a publication the   
    WD> Fidogazette is not going to be. Janis tried but other than   
    WD> crossposting some messages from echoes and re-hashing old   
    WD> material, not that much really happened.   
      
   Okay.  Perhaps it's lack of success was (at least partially) due to    
   Janis.  I guess we'll see.  My point was to ask you to at least give it    
   a chance to get off the ground without belaboring things with a person    
   that you clearly have a negative history with.  That doesn't help.   
      
    WD> The real problem is 'lack of contributors', 'lack of exciting   
    WD> things' ... the same issues which confronts Fidonews. It's "the   
    WD> people's publication", but if the people does not contribute then   
    WD> it just does not happen.   
      
   No argument with that.  I'll make a "new year's resolution" to see if I    
   can contribute, and to encourage others to as well.   
      
    WD> At the moment I see no indicator for change. But you know what,   
    WD> prove me wrong. I do not expect the new 'self appointed'   
    WD> ownership is going to change a whole lot.   
      
   Fair enough.  A chance to try is not asking too much.   
      
    DC> For such a long-standing and (supposed) proponent of FidoNet, you sure   
    DC> do seem to hate it.  Perhaps that's just your personal bias and grudges   
    DC> showing through?   
      
    DC> Do us all a favor and go be a ZC, leaving the administration of an echo   
    DC> and a publication to those who actually do try to help FidoNet be better.   
      
    WD> 'The administration of an echo' ... hmmm ... how difficult must   
    WD> it be? I run a number of international echoes ... mever must I   
    WD> act, even hardly ever do I publish any rules.   
      
   It's not usually difficult, no.... but sometimes the participants can    
   make the moderator's job harder by just carrying on and on for no good    
   reason.  Let's give it a chance.   
      
    WD> But as said before ... prove me wrong.   
      
   I hope "we" can do that.  Take care.   
      
      
      
   ... Strip mining prevents forest fires.   
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