> Hi Rick!   
      
      
   >I take it you are using the default Ubuntu install of 11.04, with Unity window   
   > manager?   
      
   Yup.  The download install seems to have vaporized (probably something I did),   
   and i started over with the CD from the magazine, definitely picking tHE   
   option to wipe out previous traces and start over from scratch.  The two   
   installations are running together in my mind, but they seem to be extremely   
   similar anyway.  The CD also offered a "live" option, meaning run it directly   
   from the CD, no install.  I tried that a few times, using that was extremely   
   slow compared to using it from an install.   
      
   At least one source (I think both) offered the choice to use one of about five   
   different versions. I tried a couple -- Xubuntu, Kubuntu, whatever -- and I   
   couldn't see a lot of difference. A few times I did get to something that   
   looked exactly like a command line, but the few commands that did work gave me   
   the feeling that I wasn't at a real command line -- that is, underneath the   
   GUI -- after all.  More like that fake DOS that MS-Windows has been putting on   
   *top* of the GUI in all versions at least since Windows 95.   
      
   What I would really like to see in a user supported community, like I gather   
   the entire Linux world is, and with the vast quantities of memory now in   
   pretty much everything, compared to not that long ago in your memory and mine,   
   is a sort of "Linux for Dummies" type of thing.  Start at the beginning, let   
   me go at my own speed.  At first, I will need a lot of hald-holding.  More and   
   more, once I've got some basics down, It's going to click with stuff I already   
   know, ignition wilil take place, and I drop back into warp speed.   
      
   So interactive, user directed lessons would be exactly what I'm looking for.    
   For that matter, that's how I like pretty much all my learning, including   
   foreign languages (and you thought I'd forgotten the topic of my own echo!)     
   That's how I like to teach,   
   too -- if the students take me off on a tangent, then that's where I go.    
   Rote, straight out of a book, they can do without a live teacher present.  (I   
   was all set to capture this and ASCII post it to MAIN BOARd, but I just   
   justified leaving it here.  Oh boy, what will *I* think about such a flimsy   
   excuse?  Hmmm, I bet I'll pretend that I'm later going to translate the whole   
   thing into Espoeranto. Hmmm -- I've translated much longer things, but none of   
   it, of such evanescent interest.  So, how would I say "evanescent"?  Probably   
   something like `mallongtempa" -- that is, mal (anti) long (long) temp (time) a   
   (ish).  That is, short-time-ish.  Gee, esperanto is neat that way it can do   
   that kind of stuff!  And you don't have to worry, can I really coin compounds   
   like that?  Yes, you really can. It's expected!)   
      
   > If so, you should ask Andy in the Main msg. area if you can just   
   >"apt-get xfce4" to change to the XFCE4 window manager.  It's a really nice one   
   > I used xfce4 when I was running Gentoo Linux.   
      
   I'll do that.  Is there a simple way to forward a reply from here, to MAIN   
   BOARD, or another Echo?  If I ever adopt OLRs as my standard way of doing   
   things, I can or course do it from there.  My reflexes just go back to before   
   those things existed, so I keep slipping back into aswereing everything live.   
      
   > If not that, then what you want to look for is 'terminal'.  It's in the   
   >accessories menu under Gnome and Unity is based on Gnome.. so you may luck out   
   > there :)   
      
   I keep seeing Gnome mentioned in this Unity thingie, but I'm unclear on what   
   either name means, let alone how to tell them apart -- or even turn all of it   
   off if I want to, in case that makes any sense.   
      
   > Take care,   
   > Janis   
      
   Prizorgu,   
   Rick   
      
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