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|    Alexander Koryagin to Ardith Hinton    |
|    Strange a bit    |
|    28 Oct 24 12:56:20    |
      MSGID: 2:221/6.0 671f6dd4       REPLY: 1:153/716.0 71d41401       PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 kco 20241026       NOTE: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101       Thunderbird/31.7.0       CHRS: LATIN-1 2       TZUTC: 0200       TID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02              Hi, Ardith Hinton!       I read your message from 26.10.2024 19:24                      AK>> However in astrology        AH> Or numerology, methinks.... :-)        AK>> every letter is important and they say can change the person's        AK>> destiny. ;)               AH> Uh-huh. In English, you can spell a family name "Smythe" & require        AH> others to pronounce it "Smith". Years ago I knew somebody who did        AH> that. And names like "Brown" & "Clark" may be spelled with or        AH> without a final "e". The spelling of one's name may or may not        AH> influence the audience's reaction.:-Q              Probably some people want to deceive the Devil while he peruse his list of       those who must be taken to hell. ;-) Which Smith are you looking for? There is       no such a person! :)               AH>> Pronunciations in English often vary from one time & place to        AH>> another... and I don't know where this name originated. But IMHO        AH>> it's most likely the pronunciation changed & we never got around        AH>> to changing the spelling. I'm told that's what happened with        AH>> e.g. "gnash" and "knife".... :-)              I suspect that "gn" and "kn" are forgotten English diphthongs, like "th". They       probably sounded even more incomprehensive and tongue mutilating for common       people that they refused from them. Of they simply couldn't pronounce it. ;-)               AK>> It would be interesting for me to learn who threw "k" first and        AK>> why others started follow him. ;-)               AH> I don't know who did it or when... the OED might tell us more about        AH> that... but for native speakers of English, the initial consonants        AH> are rather difficult to pronounce without adding a vowel when one        AH> follows immediately on the other. I'm reminded here of the Danish        AH> King "Canute" (as I was taught to spell his name). During the 11th        AH> century he was king of England. But he was king of Denmark & Norway        AH> too... and many historians nowadays spell it "Cnut". While that may        AH> be more authentic from their POV I don't speak Danish.... :-)              It seems to me that the French origin of it is very likely, taking into       account the great impact it exert on English. It possible that adding a silent       "e" was even a mean to underline the French ancestry.               AH>> I get the impression the upper classes in Russia preferred French        AH>> (which may have worked for them when they didn't want the servants        AH>> to get the drift) until they became disenchanted with Napoleon,        AH>> then carefully reconstructed what's now your native language. The        AH>> net result from my POV is that it's a lot younger than my native        AH>> language & doesn't include complications like "silent letters"....        AK>> Yes, the French got a great impact on the Russian language, but        AK>> Russians did not accept those crazy silent letters. So Bordeaux in        AK>> Russia is just Bordo, and nobody suffers from it.               AH> To my ears, however, the second "o" is elongated. If your language        AH> makes no such distinction I understand. I have to keep reminding        AH> myself that e.g. the word "venue" is pronounced differently in        AH> English & French.... :-))              Yeah, the French don't like "e" at the end of words. ;-) As said one Russian       literature personage "there there is some mystery or a perverted tastes". ;-)              Bye, Ardith!       Alexander Koryagin       english_tutor 2024              ---         * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)       SEEN-BY: 90/1 105/81 106/201 128/187 129/305 153/757 7715 154/10 218/700       SEEN-BY: 218/840 221/1 6 360 226/30 227/114 229/110 114 206 300 317       SEEN-BY: 229/426 428 470 664 700 240/1120 266/512 282/1038 291/111       SEEN-BY: 301/1 113 320/219 322/757 335/364 341/66 234 342/200 396/45       SEEN-BY: 460/58 256 1124 5858 712/848 5020/400 1042 5054/30 5075/35       PATH: 221/6 301/1 460/58 229/426           |
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