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|    Ardith Hinton to Alexander Koryagin    |
|    Strange a bit    |
|    12 Oct 24 16:20:40    |
      MSGID: 1:153/716.0 70adee80       REPLY: 2:221/6.0 6707b612       CHRS: IBMPC 2       Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:              AK> I asked about the second name.              AH> Oh, I see. I'd describe the initials here as representing a       AH> person's given names and "Milne" as a surname or family name.              AH> I understand these things work a bit differently WRT Russian       AH> names... and to complicate matters, a person's given name may       AH> also be the mother's maiden name and/or another individual's       AH> surname where I come from.              AK> Is it correct that a second name is always equal to a surname       AK> or family name?                      Not always. If another man introduced himself to you as "Alan       Milne" his surname/family name would be the second of two names & for everyday       purposes this works most of the time. But a lot of folks have one or more       "middle names" they rarely use. In this case we know the man's middle name or       use his initials       ... but then we have three items in the series. If he wasn't an author he       might not have disclosed this information & we wouldn't have to redo the       math.... :-)                     AK> How would you write it "Milne" or "Miln" if you never saw       AK> it written.              AH> Well, it does rhyme with "kiln"... so if I'd never seen or       AH> heard this name before I might employ the latter until I had       AH> time to investigate further.              AK> It remains to me only to wonder about the English language       AK> evolution. How on earth you put a letter into the word and       AK> don't pronounce this letter. ;)               In some cases at least a word has been adopted from a Scandinavian       or northern European language & we've trimmed a few inflections etc. :-))                     AK> Maybe Milne was spoken differently in the past?               Quite possibly. There are many different dialects in the UK, and       for us it's not easy to be sure how or when the pronunciation may have       changed. One must also realize that before the advent of the printing press       spellings weren't standardized the way they are now. I've heard Shakespeare       didn't always use the same spelling of his own name... and other names often       have variations too. :-)                                   --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+        * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)       SEEN-BY: 90/1 105/81 106/201 129/305 153/7715 218/700 221/1 6 226/30       SEEN-BY: 227/114 229/110 114 206 300 317 426 428 470 664 700 240/1120       SEEN-BY: 240/1634 5832 8001 8002 8005 8050 266/512 280/5003 282/1038       SEEN-BY: 291/111 301/1 113 313/41 320/219 322/757 335/364 342/200       SEEN-BY: 371/0 396/45 460/58 256 1124 5858 712/848 5020/400 1042 5054/30       SEEN-BY: 5075/35       PATH: 153/7715 3634/12 240/1120 301/1 460/58 229/426           |
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