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|    Gleb Hlebov to Alexander Koryagin    |
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|    27 Sep 24 11:46:14    |
      REPLY: 2:5023/24.4222 66f63d25       MSGID: 2:5023/24.4222 66f662c8       CHRS: CP866 2       TZUTC: 0400       Hi Alexander,               AK>> If Miln had put it with a capital first letter it was rather a        AK>> name.        GH> It seems at first it was a denotation and a name at the same time. The        GH> writer was introducing "The Piglet" as an "object" in the story in the        GH> course of 2-3 sentences, and then it actually settled in as a personal        GH> name.              Have you heard an idiom "Keeping up with the Joneses"?              As I've mentioned earlier, English articles are quite an interesting subject       to study per se, and speaking of it in regard to its usage with names and       proper nouns, here's some info that might help us:              ======       More generally, using an article before a proper noun that doesn't have one       built into it (as the United States and the Rolling Stones do) is one example       of using a proper noun as a countable noun.              There are several reasons why we might do that normally. One is to say       something like "there are three Johns in the group", meaning "there are three       people called John in the group".              Another is to add distance to the identification; "I have a John Smith on the       line" is a common expression for "I have someone on the line, who tells me he       is John Smith, and that is all that is known about him". A similar is to       report, e.g. "One John Smith is accused of the crime", emphasising that we       have no further identifying details at present, and hence we are not stating       precisely which person of that name is the subject of the sentence.              Another is to use a proper noun as an example of particular traits that could       also be held by others (a type of synecdoche). "The next Bob Dylan" (a       singer-songwriter from the folk scene who will repeat Dylan's success), "He's       an Einstein" (he's very smart), "All Mozarts have their Salieris" (not really       true even for Mozart and Salieri, but let's say we believed the film Amadeus       was accurate).              Another, almost inverse to this, is to speak of the person or thing signified       by the proper noun at a particular time, or from a particular perspective:       "The London of a hundred years ago was a notoriously unhealthy place", "The       John you know is not the John I know" (that could also mean you are talking of       a literally different person, depending on context).              The above are reasonably standard, though figurative.              Another common variation is to jokingly make use of these forms, when one       normally would not. If talking of a friend, we would generally use their name       as a proper noun, because that's how names work in English, but since every       person called George is "a George", and so on the form is logically correct,       though not strictly good English. To use it of a friend could suggest that you       have gotten as far as knowing it's a George, but not which one, or that       George's are all alike and you've hence found someone who will have all the       George-like qualities that George has. Both obviously are not sensible, but       therein is the joke. Another variant would be if you were looking for George,       and then spotted him. Again "ah, there's a George" would suggest that you'd       were just looking for Georges generally, which again is not sensible, hence       the joke.              All of these last cases are examples of deliberately bad English, used as a       joke, rather than something that would normally be considered correct.              [A completely different case is when there's a word that is the same as a       proper noun, but isn't a proper noun, of which some slang cases started as a       proper noun and are hence sometimes capitalised.]       ====== From:       english.stackexchange.com/questions/104439/indefinite-article-and-peoples-names                     ... Error #00‘: Memory hog error. More RAM needed. More! More!       --- A Damned Hobbyist+ (1.1.5-b20170303)        * Origin: Microspoof, Inc. (2:5023/24.4222)       SEEN-BY: 1/19 16/0 19/37 50/109 90/1 105/81 106/201 123/130 129/305       SEEN-BY: 142/104 153/757 7715 154/10 203/0 218/700 840 221/1 6 360       SEEN-BY: 226/30 227/114 229/110 114 206 300 317 426 428 470 664 700       SEEN-BY: 240/5832 266/512 280/5003 282/1038 291/111 301/1 320/119       SEEN-BY: 320/219 319 2119 322/757 762 335/364 341/66 234 342/200 396/45       SEEN-BY: 423/81 450/1024 460/58 463/68 467/888 712/848 5000/111 5005/49       SEEN-BY: 5015/42 46 255 5020/400 570 715 830 846 1042 4441 5022/2       SEEN-BY: 5023/12 24 5030/49 5034/13 5053/51 58 400 5054/8 5058/104       SEEN-BY: 5060/900 5061/15 133 5075/35 128 5083/1 444 6035/3       PATH: 5023/24 5020/715 1042 221/6 1 320/219 229/426           |
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